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Old 07-06-2014, 12:45 PM   #101
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"Hillary Clinton, a conservative warmonger".....lol Hill is center-left on most issues, perhaps more center than left on foreign affairs. From my perspective, she's probably the third or 4th best candidate out there (Huntsman is my preferred choice, with Jeb 2nd.....I love Ryan on SS/Medicare but don't like his positions in many other areas including taxes) , although I could never vote for her for reasons unrelated to policy positions.

I don't get where these guys like Alter b**** and complain about Dems not being ultra liberal enough for them. Most of the country doesn't share those views, so there are no votes in being ultra liberal, why the **** would they adopt those views? The objective for each side is to win and enact incremental change in their respective directions so that the other side doesn't scream too loudly and the public isn't jolted too fast so as to avoid major blowback. Ultimately they get to the place where the extreme ideological folks want but it's over many years rather than at once. That's the whole point of this. Some of these writers are just politically stupid or don't understand how things work.
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Old 07-06-2014, 02:47 PM   #102
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"Hillary Clinton, a conservative warmonger".....lol Hill is center-left on most issues, perhaps more center than left on foreign affairs. From my perspective, she's probably the third or 4th best candidate out there (Huntsman is my preferred choice, with Jeb 2nd.....I love Ryan on SS/Medicare but don't like his positions in many other areas including taxes) , although I could never vote for her for reasons unrelated to policy positions.

I don't get where these guys like Alter b**** and complain about Dems not being ultra liberal enough for them. Most of the country doesn't share those views, so there are no votes in being ultra liberal, why the **** would they adopt those views? The objective for each side is to win and enact incremental change in their respective directions so that the other side doesn't scream too loudly and the public isn't jolted too fast so as to avoid major blowback. Ultimately they get to the place where the extreme ideological folks want but it's over many years rather than at once. That's the whole point of this. Some of these writers are just politically stupid or don't understand how things work.
I think Alter is right on the button. This country has swung so far Right in the last thirty years that ideas that would have been considered center-right back then are now seen as "ultra liberal" or even hard-core socialism. The entire playing field has been changed. And it's not just America. Many places in the world are moving toward the nationalist, right-wing ethos.

America is headed for a cliff. I know another propaganda talking point of the Right is that economic inequality is just a lefty fixation and doesn't matter, the same way that climate change is just a socialist hoax. Very big changes are coming in our lifetimes and I really doubt they will occur peacefully. IMO, what I see from many on the Left (not all, by any means) is a willingness to look at things as they truly are, devoid of ideology, devoid of propaganda. The picture is not good.

Technology combined with crony capitalist financial manipulation (enabled by a bought-out government) are marginalizing huge swaths of the population. The middle class in America is being extinguished. And more than half the people in this country are being fed a constant line of bull**** which leads them to believe that anyone who is critical of what is going on is just an anti-American socialist. We've been down this road before. It's not like we don't know what comes next. All your post supports is status quo uber alles. That ain't gonna happen.

Hillary Clinton is just a tool of Wall Street and the banksters. Alter is definitely right about that.
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Old 07-06-2014, 09:15 PM   #103
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Where as NY and CA will support big time liberals for the dems. It makes it likely we could have a Dem President for quite some time. Unless Obama is that bad. We will see how much he hurts the overall party soon enough.
You might want to read this.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/12/politi...rats-election/

Suffice it to say the GOP's chance of taking the White House in 2016 in next to non-existent. 2020 is probably out as well, unless they make a MASSIVE shift from their current trajectory.

The funny part is making that shift is going to mean shedding a bunch of the angry old white people and teabagger morons that have drug the current party to irrelevancy.
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Liberals will be happy for anything with a "d" by their name. Nothing else much matters to them. Oh, those deep and complex thinkers.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:39 AM   #105
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You might want to read this.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/12/politi...rats-election/

Suffice it to say the GOP's chance of taking the White House in 2016 in next to non-existent. 2020 is probably out as well, unless they make a MASSIVE shift from their current trajectory.

The funny part is making that shift is going to mean shedding a bunch of the angry old white people and teabagger morons that have drug the current party to irrelevancy.
Which is why Repubs will look at their advantage to maybe take Congress, use Supreme Court judgements that weaken president, to then try and make a difference.

You are right that for the White House, like i said already, Repubs have an uphill battle. With all the minorities getting handouts and voting almost 100% dem it's tough.

If they get amnesty for all the illegals it could be over with. Smart plan for dems, not great for the country.
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Old 07-07-2014, 07:17 AM   #106
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Which is why Repubs will look at their advantage to maybe take Congress, use Supreme Court judgements that weaken president, to then try and make a difference.

You are right that for the White House, like i said already, Repubs have an uphill battle. With all the minorities getting handouts and voting almost 100% dem it's tough.

If they get amnesty for all the illegals it could be over with. Smart plan for dems, not great for the country.
That, and you can't gerrymander a national election.
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Old 07-07-2014, 10:51 AM   #107
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Liberals will be happy for anything with a "d" by their name. Nothing else much matters to them. Oh, those deep and complex thinkers.
[ ] Meanwhile, Liberals are hypocrites
[ ] Liberals are racists
[x] Liberals are stupid
[ ] Obama sucks
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Old 07-07-2014, 11:03 AM   #108
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[ ] Meanwhile, Liberals are hypocrites
[ ] Liberals are racists
[x] Liberals are stupid
[ ] Obama sucks
[x] Liberals don't like being reminded that are full of BS
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Old 07-07-2014, 11:42 AM   #110
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You have to give barryr credit: he's mastered the art of self-parody. And he's done so without even knowing he's done it!
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Old 07-07-2014, 03:25 PM   #111
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Which is why Repubs will look at their advantage to maybe take Congress, use Supreme Court judgements that weaken president, to then try and make a difference.
Holding Congress but not the White House does nothing for them. They won't be able to get any legislation through without the POTUS signing off, so at best they can hold up any progress. That game is just about over though, as the Congressional approval ratings indicate.

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You are right that for the White House, like i said already, Repubs have an uphill battle.
Calling it an uphill battle is kind at best. Solid blue states give the Democrats 242 of the 270 electoral votes right off the bat, and it's not hard to pick up the other 28.

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With all the minorities getting handouts and voting almost 100% dem it's tough.
I hope the rest of the GOP shares this attitude. This country is shifting...demographically and ideologically...far away from the current GOP. The longer they hold on to views like yours, the more likely they cosign themselves to a future of legislative irrelevancy.
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Old 07-09-2014, 11:46 PM   #112
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Funny - the guy who got the most votes in the poll isn't even a Dem.
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