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Old 05-13-2014, 07:25 AM   #1
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Default Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan Solve Poverty!

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Having toured the country in recent months focusing on the nation's poor, Ryan declared that "the best way to turn from a vicious cycle of despair and learned hopelessness to a virtuous cycle of hope and flourishing is by embracing the attributes of friendship, accountability and love."

"That's how you fight poverty," Ryan, the House Budget Committee chairman and 2012 vice presidential nominee, told a crowd of roughly 750 dressed in tuxedos and gowns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5313256.html

Jeb Bush had to compete with Ryan's love potion: "A loving family taking care of their children in a traditional marriage will create the chance to break out of poverty far better, far better than any of the government programs that we can create."

There ya go all you poor folks. It's your own damn fault. You don't need money. You need better relationships.

The totally laughable irony of this whole thing, which is completely missed by Ryan and Bush, is that they were delivering these speeches in a room full of multi-millionaires and billionaires.
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Jeb Bush had to compete with Ryan's love potion: "A loving family taking care of their children in a traditional marriage will create the chance to break out of poverty far better, far better than any of the government programs that we can create."
I thought the science was fairly settled on this point. You know, if that sort of thing matters to you.
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What are they thinking....... we all know you pound wealthy with taxes, squeeze the middle class to the last drop and make unemployment benefits last for life, more welfare and food stamps along with free healthcare ......that's the way you do it, "money for nothing and chicks for free".

Oh and lets get rid of Walmart those blood suckers are selling big screen TV's, microwave ovens and clothing to poor people at prices they can afford and sucking them dry........ the bastards.
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Yep. Poor people in bad relationships sent all the jobs overseas. The dirty bastards!
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Yep. Poor people in bad relationships sent all the jobs overseas. The dirty bastards!
Set the straw man down and read the quote again.
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Awesome. Neat model.

So if you point out that a dyslexic kid is going to have some unique struggles, you're basically just calling him a Tard.

Which perspective is the sympathetic one again?
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You forgot about their Obama-mandated insurance coverage.

Lazy deadbeats need to get on board so they can subsidize older richer peoples' health.
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Please feed the people. They might otherwise become self-sufficient.
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Please feed the people. They might otherwise become self-sufficient.
Oh and let's don't leave out a free Obama Phone

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You forgot about their Obama-mandated insurance coverage.

Lazy deadbeats need to get on board so they can subsidize older richer peoples' health.
true dat
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Great news!

Having toured the country in recent months focusing on the nation's poor, Ryan declared that "the best way to turn from a vicious cycle of despair and learned hopelessness to a virtuous cycle of hope and flourishing is by embracing the attributes of friendship, accountability and love."

"That's how you fight poverty," Ryan, the House Budget Committee chairman and 2012 vice presidential nominee, told a crowd of roughly 750 dressed in tuxedos and gowns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5313256.html

Jeb Bush had to compete with Ryan's love potion: "A loving family taking care of their children in a traditional marriage will create the chance to break out of poverty far better, far better than any of the government programs that we can create."

There ya go all you poor folks. It's your own damn fault. You don't need money. You need better relationships.

The totally laughable irony of this whole thing, which is completely missed by Ryan and Bush, is that they were delivering these speeches in a room full of multi-millionaires and billionaires.
I tend to believe a nurturing, supportive home, ideally with two parents set the framework for the best chances at success. It is the foundation for a child to grow and develop. I don't believe they were saying that is the answer to poverty, but simply it is a key step is helping kids in poverty get out of those circumstances.

A majority of poor people work and still are not even close to self sufficiency. They receive Government benefits because this Nation is terrible at creating good, stable well paying jobs at this point in history. Globalization and the rise of US Financialization has sped up that issue, and will continue to make it worse.

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I tend to believe a nurturing, supportive home, ideally with two parents set the framework for the best chances at success. It is the foundation for a child to grow and develop. I don't believe they were saying that is the answer to poverty, but simply it is a key step is helping kids in poverty get out of those circumstances.
education is the key. always has been.
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education is the key. always has been.
If you mean education generically, you're right, that is important. But that kind of education is built, or at least amplified by an encouraging two-parent home.

If you're talking about formal State education (the product we're continually given the hard upsell on), then reality tends to disagree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...t_billionaires
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If you mean education generically, you're right, that is important. But that kind of education is built, or at least amplified by an encouraging two-parent home.

If you're talking about formal State education (the product we're continually given the hard upsell on), then reality tends to disagree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...t_billionaires
Becoming a billionaire is not the norm. there are many state educated people that are successful that also happen to not be billionaires.as for a 2 parent home, you mean a man and woman right?
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Agree-

Its interesting, one of our long time patinets wrote public education policy for both Colorado and at the Federal level for a very long time. I talked to him recently, he is since out of that game, and I asked him about school choice stragtegies- knowing he was very liberal, I was suprised by his answer. He said in certain cases, ie DC, he thinks school choice is an excellent endeavor. He said he used to be staunchly against it, then he met a mother whose son went to a school in DC- said she was always afraid she would get that call and he would be beat-up, shot, or dead. She really wanted a chance for her son to go to a safe school, because he was fairly bright- he said since that day he has totolly rethought the notion. Interesting about face, but he also said school choice program are not needed everywhere, ie Douglas County school district for example. Just interesting from a guy who once touted the one size fits all theory.
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Becoming a billionaire is not the norm. there are many state educated people that are successful that also happen to not be billionaires.as for a 2 parent home, you mean a man and woman right?
And to the extent that state educated people are successful, they are disproportionately represented by members who grew up in two-parent families.

As for the sexual makeup of that family, there's little good data that lets us know for sure.

And all that the Billionaire list establishes is that true genius can be (and often is) formulated outside Big Education. In fact, a who's who list of today's biggest world-changers tended to find today's formal education more hindrance than help.
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And to the extent that state educated people are successful, they are disproportionately represented by members who grew up in two-parent families.

As for the sexual makeup of that family, there's little good data that lets us know for sure.

And all that the Billionaire list establishes is that true genius can be (and often is) formulated outside Big Education. In fact, a who's who list of today's biggest world-changers tended to find today's formal education more hindrance than help.
What percentage of the population are these world changing billionaires and geniuses? .00001? Yeah. Let's write policy based on these exceptions.

The truth is, Bush and Ryan are only telling the greedy bastards what they want to hear: It wouldn't matter if you paid more in taxes and government was able to help out more. The poor are poor and it's their own damn fault. So you can continue to feel good about supporting the politics of greed.
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Meanwhile, America continues to cut its own throat and allow the policies of greed to destroy our nation: http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson

Look at the chart at about 3:20.
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What percentage of the population are these world changing billionaires and geniuses? .00001? Yeah. Let's write policy based on these exceptions.

The truth is, Bush and Ryan are only telling the greedy bastards what they want to hear: It wouldn't matter if you paid more in taxes and government was able to help out more. The poor are poor and it's their own damn fault. So you can continue to feel good about supporting the politics of greed.
The long and short of it is, even a strong State educational system can't come close to replacing the role of two strong parents in the home. And even then, our educational system is exceptionally poor at doing so.

It does well where kids do well. It does poorly where kids do poorly. It's a reflection of us, and our failings in most ways. But it makes the same mistake you do, which is why it can't improve.

You can't cure symptoms if you refuse to acknowledge the disease. No matter how un-PC it may be to do so.

But you continue to sell the lie. That mo' money will make it not matter that Daddy wasn't there. Unfortunately, that's just almost never the case.
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****ing Jeb Bush! Saying that families who stay together will be fare better financially. What a moron everyone knows it's the govt that will help you. Hell not to mention the groups getting welfare have so many deadbeat dads in them. Everyone knows that deadbeat dads raise the best kids right? Silly repubs.
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Liberals like the breaking of the family, which started in the 70's and I blame them for pushing this farce of men not being important in raising kids and women not needing a man.(other than Hillary Clinton, who needed that creep of a husband to gain political power, but that's different of course)The single family households also tend to the ones more reliant on schools, day cares, and government to be involved and easier to indoctrinate to their idiot thinking and keep them dependent.
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