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Old 04-28-2014, 05:05 PM   #51
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Your right, you should always trust your doctor. Because medical degrees and lab coats n' stuff.
So are you suggesting he's lying or committing fraud by faking my lab results? So far he's prescribed me vitamin D, which is hardly making "big Pharma" any money. But please continue to talk out of your ass about the situation in general. I'm sure you know better because a you tube video told you Doctors are dumb.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:19 PM   #52
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It's not as if you've been particularly biatchly lately or anything....

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Old 04-28-2014, 05:21 PM   #53
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So are you suggesting he's lying or committing fraud by faking my lab results? So far he's prescribed me vitamin D, which is hardly making "big Pharma" any money. But please continue to talk out of your ass about the situation in general. I'm sure you know better because a you tube video told you Doctors are dumb.
Im not sure why you take issue with me then. I suggested that, for the most part, that I think low t is BS. Testosterone levels naturally go down as you age. Theres rare cases of people actually needing prescription drugs for it, imo. Im not pointing you out specifically on this one, and never did. Dont get so defensive brosef.
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Taking any over the counter supplements? or drinking a lot of soy milk? both can cause issues.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:27 PM   #55
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I was going to answer, but my billion ng started distracting me.
See the video below!

The best part is the end when he starts just swallowing pills for some reason.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:34 PM   #56
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Taking any over the counter supplements? or drinking a lot of soy milk? both can cause issues.
Not really. Two months ago I started hitting the gym to try and address the fatigue. Usually it goes away once I exercise for a week. After the initial result I read that whey protein and foods high in fats and zinc help. My doc put me on 10000 MG vitamin D supplements. I also switched to more power lifting and interval exercise. All that netted me a 14 ng difference. I avoid soy generally speaking.
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Through all the treatments...I will always be here for my good buddy.
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This thread has as much potential as the one where the dude asked for dating advice.
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This explains how touchy and irritable Kaylore is.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:44 PM   #60
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The best part is the end when he starts just swallowing pills for some reason.
Yeah, it's scary. That and the deeply-emotional Saved by the Bell episode (see below), where Jessie becomes addicted to caffeine pills, are pretty accurate portrayals of the dangers of this kind of stuff. Kids don't envision these situations when they first decide to try dope or the pot. Then, it's all fun and games. I'm just thankful for brave producers of these kinds of shows for keeping it real.

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tee hee..

Just kidding buddy, I have no idea what to tell you, but I hope you sort it out.
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Im not sure why you take issue with me then. I suggested that, for the most part, that I think low t is BS. Testosterone levels naturally go down as you age. Theres rare cases of people actually needing prescription drugs for it, imo. Im not pointing you out specifically on this one, and never did. Dont get so defensive brosef.
Fair enough. I understand the ramifications of posting a medical condition on the internet will invite mostly ridicule and BS. I would just like to point out if someone starts a thread like this and you chime in with a comment that the very issue they're dealing with is BS and their Doctor is bought by big pharma, they aren't going to respond well.

I didn't go to some cheap anti-aging clinic. I tried to correct in on my own with diet and have been exercising for 9 weeks with not much to show for it. I work in health care so I know when something shady is going on. This isn't one of those situations.
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I'm just thankful for brave producers of these kinds of shows for keeping it real.
It takes a real hero to show us the ugly truth, sometimes.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:50 PM   #64
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By the way, 90% of this thread was to solicit a response from Kappys and Doctor Broncostein.

If both of you want to respond in purely hypothetical terms, please do so.
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I'm the youngest guy in my office but 3 of the guys I work with use Testosterone patches. They had all the same symptoms that you mention- tired a lot and putting on some extra pounds in the midsection with no change to diet or exercise. All of them reported an immediate change for the better after just a couple days of use. One potential downside is that it can be hard to fall asleep if you put the patch on during the night.

I have heard rumors that they can cause you cancer though
Testosterone can increase risk of Prostate Cancer. I think it's normal in mid thirties to have some extra around the belly- I used to have a 34-36 waist and my pants fit loose... I hit 35 and all of the sudden 36 feels less cozy. I think it's normal, how many mid thirty men do you see with that 20's v shape?

I felt what you described, but turns out I had a high TSH. Turns out I had thyroid cancer, and the post OP treatment plan is a suppressed TSH.. 0- .05... After that, I never felt tired, in fact had tons of pep.

I'd be weary about to much supplemental T until they have more studies about good and bad, and evidence that it is safe.
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Never mind guys. Nothing to worry about due to the expert medical expertise of mighty smurf and northernist Californeeway. I had blood and hormone tests done in a lab, but they probably know better because of blogs...and stuff. Likely big pharma paid off my endocrine system.
I'd go with Smurf on this one. He once took a Viagra prescribed by his primary care physician and it just resulted in penis rashes and blue balls causing his partner to flee the room right before sex. Seems his doctor then had a Mr. Burns laugh when he heard of what happened and said Big Pharma strikes again.
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Unicorn essence cures everything I'm told.

Seriously though, outside of what has already been said and what your doctor told you; I guess just keep tweaking your diet and taking supplements proscribed to you.

Or you could always get a krogan testicular transplant.


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Fair enough. I understand the ramifications of posting a medical condition on the internet will invite mostly ridicule and BS. I would just like to point out if someone starts a thread like this and you chime in with a comment that the very issue they're dealing with is BS and their Doctor is bought by big pharma, they aren't going to respond well.

I didn't go to some cheap anti-aging clinic. I tried to correct in on my own with diet and have been exercising for 9 weeks with not much to show for it. I work in health care so I know when something shady is going on. This isn't one of those situations.
You might just be getting old, and heading into decline. I was running 30 miles a week and counting calories daily and I didn't see a ton of improvement. Now that might be drinking, but I counted those calories and stayed under 2000 a day for a 6'2" man. Take a good look at your Dad, that's where you are heading... Lol
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I wonder if Kaylor had considered calve implants to offset his spare tire... Think of good he'd look with bigger more defined calves running a 40.... Sure would take the focus off his flabby midsection...
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By the way, 90% of this thread was to solicit a response from Kappys and Doctor Broncostein.

If both of you want to respond in purely hypothetical terms, please do so.
I don't deal with this at all. Wouldn't even begin to be able to give you advice one way or the other. Personally, I would be worried about the potential for increased malignancy and accelerated atherosclerosis. If you trust your physician then go for it. No harm in a second opinion. Maybe even talk to an endocrinologist.
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A friend of mine went on testosterone when they were trying to have a baby. He flipped out hard core and and destroyed a bar and spent a few days in jail. I've know him for a long time and he is a pretty easy going guy.

Not saying this would happen to you but be careful.
Kaylore is liable to flip over his Disney Princess Castle in a testosterone fueled rage.

Be funny to watch all seven wives scurrying for cover.
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So are you suggesting he's lying or committing fraud by faking my lab results? So far he's prescribed me vitamin D, which is hardly making "big Pharma" any money. But please continue to talk out of your ass about the situation in general. I'm sure you know better because a you tube video told you Doctors are dumb.
We have seen those anti aging places play games with reference ranges.... Legit MD probably wouldn't do that....
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Unicorn essence cures everything I'm told.

Seriously though, outside of what has already been said and what your doctor told you; I guess just keep tweaking your diet and taking supplements proscribed to you.

Or you could always get a krogan testicular transplant.

I'd respond to this excellent post, but last time I posted something like that first sentence I got a 5 day temp ban.

Why don't mods do infractions here, leading up to bans?

Screw up, Bam!!! Banhammer... Seems harsh

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I'd respond to this excellent post, but last time I posted something like that first sentence I got a 5 day temp ban.

Why don't mods do infractions here, leading up to bans?

Screw up, Bam!!! Banhammer... Seems harsh

From what I recall what you said was a little more graphic then "unicorn jizz". At any rate, you had a point. So I changed it.


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