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Old 07-14-2014, 12:44 PM   #1
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We currently have a Samsung 67" DLP. I recently replaced the bulb but its still dull and hard to watch during the day. Wife wants to upgrade to a bigger and better TV. She also loves the smart TVs. I started to look online for a replacement and found the Vizio 80" 1080P 240hz. I heard about 4K, but thought that it would be long before it went mainstream. I went to Best Buy and talked to sales. He said that 4K broadcasting will be available end of the year. Netflix will begin to stream 4K soon. He also showed me the upconvert technology for the Samsung. That thing is beautiful. I saw details in the movie I have never seen before. Colors just pop and the details are amazing. I instantly fell in love with the 65" curve screen 4k tv from samsung. The price on it is crazy.

So here are my options:

1. Stay with my current 67" Samsung and wait til the price on 4k drops further. Hopefully by 50% this time next year

2. Spend 3k on the 80" vizio 1080P 240Hz and risk it being outdated in 2 years

3. go crazy and spend $8,000 on the 78" 4K curved screen samsung

Any ideas? I am leaning toward option 1, but watching TV is unbearable in the daytime.
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We currently have a Samsung 67" DLP. I recently replaced the bulb but its still dull and hard to watch during the day. Wife wants to upgrade to a bigger and better TV. She also loves the smart TVs. I started to look online for a replacement and found the Vizio 80" 1080P 240hz. I heard about 4K, but thought that it would be long before it went mainstream. I went to Best Buy and talked to sales. He said that 4K broadcasting will be available end of the year. Netflix will begin to stream 4K soon. He also showed me the upconvert technology for the Samsung. That thing is beautiful. I saw details in the movie I have never seen before. Colors just pop and the details are amazing. I instantly fell in love with the 65" curve screen 4k tv from samsung. The price on it is crazy.

So here are my options:

1. Stay with my current 67" Samsung and wait til the price on 4k drops further. Hopefully by 50% this time next year

2. Spend 3k on the 80" vizio 1080P 240Hz and risk it being outdated in 2 years

3. go crazy and spend $8,000 on the 78" 4K curved screen samsung

Any ideas? I am leaning toward option 1, but watching TV is unbearable in the daytime.

I would advise against being an early adapter of 4k. It will be a long time before the media has caught up to the technology and quality over Netflix is contingent on network speed which is not a constant.
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I would advise against being an early adapter of 4k. It will be a long time before the media has caught up to the technology and quality over Netflix is contingent on network speed which is not a constant.
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We currently have a Samsung 67" DLP. I recently replaced the bulb but its still dull and hard to watch during the day. Wife wants to upgrade to a bigger and better TV. She also loves the smart TVs. I started to look online for a replacement and found the Vizio 80" 1080P 240hz. I heard about 4K, but thought that it would be long before it went mainstream. I went to Best Buy and talked to sales. He said that 4K broadcasting will be available end of the year. Netflix will begin to stream 4K soon. He also showed me the upconvert technology for the Samsung. That thing is beautiful. I saw details in the movie I have never seen before. Colors just pop and the details are amazing. I instantly fell in love with the 65" curve screen 4k tv from samsung. The price on it is crazy.

So here are my options:

1. Stay with my current 67" Samsung and wait til the price on 4k drops further. Hopefully by 50% this time next year

2. Spend 3k on the 80" vizio 1080P 240Hz and risk it being outdated in 2 years

3. go crazy and spend $8,000 on the 78" 4K curved screen samsung

Any ideas? I am leaning toward option 1, but watching TV is unbearable in the daytime.
Darken your tv room or buy a smaller smart tv for about 700 and when you are happy with the 4k market buy
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Old 07-14-2014, 01:09 PM   #6
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I would advise against being an early adapter of 4k. It will be a long time before the media has caught up to the technology and quality over Netflix is contingent on network speed which is not a constant.
Agree. And I think the guy at Best Buy is full of crap. There may be a thing or two broadcast in it like the Super Bowl...but don't you have to have a DVR or Cable box that also uses that? I'm thinking it will be a couple of years until you can just turn on the tv and find programming that is broadcast in that.
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So here are my options:

1. Stay with my current 67" Samsung and wait til the price on 4k drops further. Hopefully by 50% this time next year

2. Spend 3k on the 80" vizio 1080P 240Hz and risk it being outdated in 2 years

3. go crazy and spend $8,000 on the 78" 4K curved screen samsung

Any ideas? I am leaning toward option 1, but watching TV is unbearable in the daytime.
Option 1 is the best, but if you do get the itch and really need it sooner, go with Option 4 - There is at least one 80 inch model from Sharp available today that is 1080p, but that can upscale to the 4K now. I guaranty your eyes won't be able to tell the difference, you'll get 2 extra inches of screen and you'll save $3K (current sale price is $5K). The price will probably drop another grand or so by XMas.

http://www.paulstv.com/LED-Televisio...80p-LED-TV.asp

NEVER buy completely new tv tech in year one. You're paying at least double what you should and it usually takes a bit of time to work out all the bugs.
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We currently have a Samsung 67" DLP. I recently replaced the bulb but its still dull and hard to watch during the day. Wife wants to upgrade to a bigger and better TV. She also loves the smart TVs. I started to look online for a replacement and found the Vizio 80" 1080P 240hz. I heard about 4K, but thought that it would be long before it went mainstream. I went to Best Buy and talked to sales. He said that 4K broadcasting will be available end of the year. Netflix will begin to stream 4K soon. He also showed me the upconvert technology for the Samsung. That thing is beautiful. I saw details in the movie I have never seen before. Colors just pop and the details are amazing. I instantly fell in love with the 65" curve screen 4k tv from samsung. The price on it is crazy.

So here are my options:

1. Stay with my current 67" Samsung and wait til the price on 4k drops further. Hopefully by 50% this time next year

2. Spend 3k on the 80" vizio 1080P 240Hz and risk it being outdated in 2 years

3. go crazy and spend $8,000 on the 78" 4K curved screen samsung

Any ideas? I am leaning toward option 1, but watching TV is unbearable in the daytime.
Buying 4k now is like taking $10,000 and tossing it in the trash.

1.) Netflix already streams 4k, but it's no where near "full" quality (neither is their current HD content). It's at that resolution, but highly compressed resulting in effectively much less resolution. Also, unless you have a pip advertized at about 50Mbps (meaning you'll get about 1/2 that relatively reliably), you're not going to be able to stream 4k.

2.) All "upconversion" is a lie (just like CSI "enhancement"). You can't generate new information out of thin air.

3.) In 2-3 years 4k might be closer to mainstream, and probably will be a fraction of the current price, so spending $3,000 now on something will leave you ahead of the $$ game (even if you don't sell it). In the interim, you won't have missed out on much if any viewing experience unless you are specifically seeking out 4k content for the sake of 4k content.

But hey, if you got $8,000 to burn, why not?
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I just saved you $3k+
"Wife wants to upgrade to a bigger and better TV."

Better blinds/curtains could improve the picture by 300%, but the average wife would never admit it. It's only a matter of time before the plastic is going to have to come out.
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NEVER buy completely new tech in year one. You're paying at least double what you should and it usually takes a bit of time to work out all the bugs.
FYP. The original 360 had no HDMI. The original Xbox One made you get the now-worthless kinnect. Early iterations of 4g phones had problems and many places didn't even offer 4G yet.

With technology it's always smarter (and more wallet-friendly) to buy at least the second, if not third generation in lieu of the first. The glitches will be ironed out, certain areas will be improved and most importantly, it will be cheaper.

Does the OP even have media to watch on 4k? Most media is barely getting everything caught up to 1080P. If you don't have 4k stuff to watch, what's the point?
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FWIW, Netflix has one show they show in 4k so far. And when they say "4k will be available by end of the year" they mean extremely limited. Most shows on TV are just now recording in HD, so you can expect like 1 PPV movie per month from your television provider to feature the 4k, and it will likely cost you 12 dollars.
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"Wife wants to upgrade to a bigger and better TV."

Better blinds/curtains could improve the picture by 300%, but the average wife would never admit it. It's only a matter of time before the plastic is going to have to come out.
Think of all the fun she can have reworking the blinds and curtains though.
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I'd suggest you save $1,000, buy the 70inch Vizio tv, and start putting your pennies towards the 4k to buy in 3 years. Also, buy it at Costco. 90 days risk free return policy is nice.
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FWIW, Netflix has one show they show in 4k so far. And when they say "4k will be available by end of the year" they mean extremely limited. Most shows on TV are just now recording in HD, so you can expect like 1 PPV movie per month from your television provider to feature the 4k, and it will likely cost you 12 dollars.
And streaming 4k takes a constant 15-20Mbps (depending on compression) meaning you'll need at least 2x that (and not just "burst") advertized to have any hope of reliability.
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Go to Costco and buy a smaller Vizio, like 50-60 inch for under 1 grand and wait on the newest technology. Remember when HD DVD's came out...
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Go to Costco and buy a smaller Vizio, like 50-60 inch for under 1 grand and wait on the newest technology. Remember when HD DVD's came out...
He specified that the wife wants a tv bigger than 67 inches.....
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I would advise against being an early adapter of 4k. It will be a long time before the media has caught up to the technology and quality over Netflix is contingent on network speed which is not a constant.
i know, i felt the same way when hdtv came out. my samsung has been with me since 2005 and i think its just time to upgrade. its been 9 years and only replaced the bulb once. wife really wants the smart tv though and so do i. i watch alot of shows from amazon prime. currently watching true blood. i don't want to get a new hdtv to see the 4k go mainstream while my new hdtv is outdated. I want it to last 5yrs.
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We currently have a Samsung 67" DLP. I recently replaced the bulb but its still dull and hard to watch during the day. Wife wants to upgrade to a bigger and better TV. She also loves the smart TVs. I started to look online for a replacement and found the Vizio 80" 1080P 240hz. I heard about 4K, but thought that it would be long before it went mainstream. I went to Best Buy and talked to sales. He said that 4K broadcasting will be available end of the year. Netflix will begin to stream 4K soon. He also showed me the upconvert technology for the Samsung. That thing is beautiful. I saw details in the movie I have never seen before. Colors just pop and the details are amazing. I instantly fell in love with the 65" curve screen 4k tv from samsung. The price on it is crazy.

So here are my options:

1. Stay with my current 67" Samsung and wait til the price on 4k drops further. Hopefully by 50% this time next year

2. Spend 3k on the 80" vizio 1080P 240Hz and risk it being outdated in 2 years

3. go crazy and spend $8,000 on the 78" 4K curved screen samsung

Any ideas? I am leaning toward option 1, but watching TV is unbearable in the daytime.

Just bought the Epson 3020e projector . ****ING AWESOME ! 1599.99 on sale.
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Darken your tv room or buy a smaller smart tv for about 700 and when you are happy with the 4k market buy
room is too dark as it is. i was thinking of adding a skylight because the room is so dark.

i prefer something at least 74"
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Option 1 is the best, but if you do get the itch and really need it sooner, go with Option 4 - There is at least one 80 inch model from Sharp available today that is 1080p, but that can upscale to the 4K now. I guaranty your eyes won't be able to tell the difference, you'll get 2 extra inches of screen and you'll save $3K (current sale price is $5K). The price will probably drop another grand or so by XMas.

http://www.paulstv.com/LED-Televisio...80p-LED-TV.asp

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disagree. u can tell the difference. images are extremely sharp on the samsung and sony, the sharp is average at best. if you put the sharp next to a hdtv, it would be hard to tell the difference.
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"Wife wants to upgrade to a bigger and better TV."

Better blinds/curtains could improve the picture by 300%, but the average wife would never admit it. It's only a matter of time before the plastic is going to have to come out.
i would like to watch tv in my family room without making it completely dark. again, the room is already dark due to the covered patio in the backyard.
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FYP. The original 360 had no HDMI. The original Xbox One made you get the now-worthless kinnect. Early iterations of 4g phones had problems and many places didn't even offer 4G yet.

With technology it's always smarter (and more wallet-friendly) to buy at least the second, if not third generation in lieu of the first. The glitches will be ironed out, certain areas will be improved and most importantly, it will be cheaper.

Does the OP even have media to watch on 4k? Most media is barely getting everything caught up to 1080P. If you don't have 4k stuff to watch, what's the point?
according to the guy, they don't even have plans to have 4k on bluray. but what he sold me on was upconvert. it looked extremely sharp. i know that upconvert is just bs, but that bs looked great. not sure how they did it, but its nice.
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Go 3D I hear its all the rage and up and coming. (jk)

Buyer beware on the Vizio. you can have great luck with them but anytime after the first year the screen goes they are ruthless and will not replace them, they may only give you a discount on a new one (Google Vizio return policy) . I did buy a 3rd gen Panasonic Plasma from Costco 9 years or so ago when they were still pretty new solely because I could return it if it died. I don't know what thier return policy is now and I woldn't try to return this on obviously. The TV has been great until now except for where a thin vertical green line has developed, so I'm in the same boat you are. I'm just going to sit tight for 6 months to a year to see what develops. I'm really bummed Panasonic stopped making plasma's.
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Just bought the Epson 3020e projector . ****ING AWESOME ! 1599.99 on sale.
I'd be curious to hear more about your experience with this. I had someone tell me that to get a good projector plan on spending 5K. How much are replacement bulbs these days?
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