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Old 04-21-2014, 10:28 PM   #101
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Yeah, probably should keep ManRam. He'll start anyway.
If Montgomery plays well we draft someone better than ManRam.
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:47 PM   #102
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This just thins our depth across the line. Here's hoping no one gets hurt. Id rather try out Montgomery. Clark comes in when not if someone gets hurt.
and why we will get more bodies on the OL. Injuries hit last year but we also hit big on bargains with guys like Vasquez.
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If Montgomery plays well we draft someone better than ManRam.
They have a lot of options this year. But none as likely as keeping them both. Too risky to roll with drafted unknowns, and doesn't make sense money-wise to cut ManRam only to sign someone worse and cheaper in FA.
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They have a lot of options this year. But none as likely as keeping them both. Too risky to roll with drafted unknowns, and doesn't make sense money-wise to cut ManRam only to sign someone worse and cheaper in FA.
IDK, Elway seems to know how to pick FA.
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IDK, Elway seems to know how to pick FA.
Bringing two guys in at C who don't know the Offense to save a mil isn't something Elway would do. No team would do that really. I thought it might be a good idea, but it's not.
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If Montgomery plays well we draft someone better than ManRam.
Man Ram is a better C than Montgomery. People are calling for Montgomery when Manram is actually a pretty damn good C.
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Having a FB is dumb.

Everytime the FB is on the field, automatic run, takes out one weapon in the passing game.

Not like we're running on 8-man boxes, usually 6, at most 7.

Waste of a roster spot to boot.
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So would all of Denver's opponents this year. That would take one weapon off the field and one less guy to worry about.
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Yea all you guys can kiss the tip of my dick i want a FB and i want him to be a crazy white guy like Owen Schmitt
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Because they are hurting his income potential. Tackles are paid better than guards and the last image suitors will have of him at tackle is bad, without a way to recover from it.
The difference between LT and G pay is big, that's true. The difference between RT and G pay is minimal.
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I think OL is still in play for round 1. Elway seems to like hedging his bets at positions where free agents are coming available the following year. Makes good sense. See HB, WR, TE, & DT thus far. I could still see us taking a guy like the guard from UCLA if the board rolls out like we think it will, just like I think we'll still draft a WR high with DT & Welker technically FA's next year.
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As far as using a FB goes, I would only be interested in it against Seattle.

New Orleans had a lot of success running on Seattle using 22 personnel. Tampa ran pretty well on Seattle out of 21 personnel, but Seattle likely wasn't playing their A-game against Tampa. There were a couple of plays in the divisional game where the Saints' FB clobbered Chancellor and a few other DBs. They were able to set up play-action and get Brees way more time in the pocket.

I agree that a FB is a wasted roster spot because we're going to be using 3 WR and tossing the ball against most everyone we play. For Seattle though, I'd like to see us motion Virgil Green into kind of an H-back position and see if we can emulate what N.O. & Tampa did against Seattle. Or maybe we could use C.J. Anderson as a FB just for that game or motion Demaryius Thomas over as a Flanker on the end of the line. With an interior line of Franklin-Ramirez-Vasquez, I think we will run the ball pretty well on Seattle and slow down that pass rush some.

I think running the ball out of large, heavy formations is at least worth investigating.
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I really don't see the heartburn for most on this. Manning needs the pocket in front of him to step up and throw. Adding your 3 biggest players in the middle of the field is a smart move.
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A big target in this draft should be an H-Back. Somebody who can play a role on offense, assume some 2nd TE responsibilities along with have special game day duty should we want to motion a guy around in the backfield. I think it would have helped run the ball vs. Seattle. In that case, you have to find a very specific style talent to do it. The TE from UNC could. There are a lot of other hit and miss prospects at TE for that role though. They have to be a tough son of a b**** other wise we'll be stuck with Virgil doing the job.
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I really don't see the heartburn for most on this. Manning needs the pocket in front of him to step up and throw. Adding your 3 biggest players in the middle of the field is a smart move.
I'll speak for myself, I think it's easier to draft a Guard and improve LG than it is to replace Franklin at RT. He had a bad game at the worse possible time! But he has been great. I think Clark can equally hold up in pass protection, where he may be an upgrade against speed rushers, he's a downgrade against stronger DEs, which he will see on a new side! He's also a downgrade in the run game.
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I don't see OLine as an early draft target.

Clady, Franklin, Manny, Vasquez, Clark

Montogmery is your back up LG, C, RG
Justice your back up RT/LT, with Clark able to play LT if Clady sustained another injury
Painter a back up RT/G

Why would you draft an early T, G, C?
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As far as using a FB goes, I would only be interested in it against Seattle.

New Orleans had a lot of success running on Seattle using 22 personnel. Tampa ran pretty well on Seattle out of 21 personnel, but Seattle likely wasn't playing their A-game against Tampa. There were a couple of plays in the divisional game where the Saints' FB clobbered Chancellor and a few other DBs. They were able to set up play-action and get Brees way more time in the pocket.

I agree that a FB is a wasted roster spot because we're going to be using 3 WR and tossing the ball against most everyone we play. For Seattle though, I'd like to see us motion Virgil Green into kind of an H-back position and see if we can emulate what N.O. & Tampa did against Seattle. Or maybe we could use C.J. Anderson as a FB just for that game or motion Demaryius Thomas over as a Flanker on the end of the line. With an interior line of Franklin-Ramirez-Vasquez, I think we will run the ball pretty well on Seattle and slow down that pass rush some.

I think running the ball out of large, heavy formations is at least worth investigating.
New Orleans got clobbered until they opened up the play book and a dropped INT by Seattle turned into a TD.
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As far as using a FB goes, I would only be interested in it against Seattle.

New Orleans had a lot of success running on Seattle using 22 personnel. Tampa ran pretty well on Seattle out of 21 personnel, but Seattle likely wasn't playing their A-game against Tampa. There were a couple of plays in the divisional game where the Saints' FB clobbered Chancellor and a few other DBs. They were able to set up play-action and get Brees way more time in the pocket.

I agree that a FB is a wasted roster spot because we're going to be using 3 WR and tossing the ball against most everyone we play. For Seattle though, I'd like to see us motion Virgil Green into kind of an H-back position and see if we can emulate what N.O. & Tampa did against Seattle. Or maybe we could use C.J. Anderson as a FB just for that game or motion Demaryius Thomas over as a Flanker on the end of the line. With an interior line of Franklin-Ramirez-Vasquez, I think we will run the ball pretty well on Seattle and slow down that pass rush some.

I think running the ball out of large, heavy formations is at least worth investigating.

I think its very old world thinking.

It's hard to know exactly when you're ahead of the curve, but in today's NFL, with all the spread offenses and wide open game, it probably makes sense to have traditional tackles play along the entire line ... especially when defenses seem to line up D-ends on the inside during pass downs.

Also, i never understood why a heavy formation was ever preferable to a spread. If you're a running back, would you prefer to run into 16 guys on a play that takes a while to develop (including your own) or 10-12 on a quick hit handoff?
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A big target in this draft should be an H-Back. Somebody who can play a role on offense, assume some 2nd TE responsibilities along with have special game day duty should we want to motion a guy around in the backfield. I think it would have helped run the ball vs. Seattle. In that case, you have to find a very specific style talent to do it. The TE from UNC could. There are a lot of other hit and miss prospects at TE for that role though. They have to be a tough son of a b**** other wise we'll be stuck with Virgil doing the job.
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But really, Hoskins from Marshall is a guy I like a lot for that type of role and he'd fit our pass-heavy approach.
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I don't see OLine as an early draft target.

Clady, Franklin, Manny, Vasquez, Clark

Montogmery is your back up LG, C, RG
Justice your back up RT/LT, with Clark able to play LT if Clady sustained another injury
Painter a back up RT/G

Why would you draft an early T, G, C?
Upgrade over Clark?

Depending who is there, of course.
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Upgrade over Clark?

Depending who is there, of course.
Thats a waste of resources. We drafted Painter, I'm sure the intentions were to develop him into a RT or G. If you draft a rookie then your already giving up on him.
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I like the move. Gives us a lot of flexibility @ the Draft. Still could draft an OL for competition, or a CB or LB.

Like this. Also like that they let Zane walk.
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Who is the best RT coming out in this draft?
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A big target in this draft should be an H-Back. Somebody who can play a role on offense, assume some 2nd TE responsibilities along with have special game day duty should we want to motion a guy around in the backfield. I think it would have helped run the ball vs. Seattle. In that case, you have to find a very specific style talent to do it. The TE from UNC could. There are a lot of other hit and miss prospects at TE for that role though. They have to be a tough son of a b**** other wise we'll be stuck with Virgil doing the job.
The Broncos already tried the Tim Tebow experience.
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Our RB's coach (Studesville) was talking about how important an H-Back is to him. I think they will continue to use Green in that role. Maybe AC Leonard?
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I don't see OLine as an early draft target.

Clady, Franklin, Manny, Vasquez, Clark

Montogmery is your back up LG, C, RG
Justice your back up RT/LT, with Clark able to play LT if Clady sustained another injury
Painter a back up RT/G

Why would you draft an early T, G, C?
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