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Old 04-29-2014, 11:46 AM   #201
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Caldwell is a pure depth guy.

Welker has concussion issues.

Depth is needed there, we far from fine.

We have plenty at DE between Wolfe, Jackson, Q, Ware, McCray, Miller when he moves to DE.

WR should be picked within the first 3 rounds, no two ways about it.
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:48 AM   #202
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yah, I'm warming up to Shazier more and more...
Unfortunately i get the impression other teams are too...seems like lots of mocks have him going in the early 20's.
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Unfortunately i get the impression other teams are too...seems like lots of mocks have him going in the early 20's.
I think both Mosley and Shazier will be gone by 31 and really, the BPA at that time will probably be WR or Oline. I'd be ok with either but I'd lean more towards getting a WR because hey, it can be a huge pick up (playmaker) for the team and I think the oline is fine as of now. That being said, if an awesome blue chip oline guy just happens to be there due to falling, take him. WR is super deep in this draft.
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how about RB Hyde AT 31
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how about RB Hyde AT 31
I do not think a RB goes in round 1. If Hyde is your target trade down and get more picks(Bmore, don't you even dare say it).

I would prefer to trade up or stay at #31.
The extra year on the contract matters. 5 years of team control + the option to franchise or transition tag them for 2 seasons is big when you are shaping a team.
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Unfortunately i get the impression other teams are too...seems like lots of mocks have him going in the early 20's.
I think Shazier will make it to 31, and I think he's our guy.
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I think Shazier will make it to 31, and I think he's our guy.
I don't think Shazier will make it past #21 Green Bay. For perspective, D.J. Williams didn't last past #18, and he wasn't even close to the prospect that Shazier is.

Considering there are only 22-25 blue chip prospects in this draft (depending on which expert you ask), it's wishful thinking to hope that Shazier would even make it close enough to trade up to.
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I don't think Shazier will make it past #21 Green Bay. For perspective, D.J. Williams didn't last past #18, and he wasn't even close to the prospect that Shazier is.

Considering there are only 22-25 blue chip prospects in this draft (depending on which expert you ask), it's wishful thinking to hope that Shazier would even make it close enough to trade up to.
If Shazier makes it past Cincy, i think he falls to us.

GB would take Mosely over Shazier, i think if both were there.
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I don't think Shazier will make it past #21 Green Bay. For perspective, D.J. Williams didn't last past #18, and he wasn't even close to the prospect that Shazier is.

Considering there are only 22-25 blue chip prospects in this draft (depending on which expert you ask), it's wishful thinking to hope that Shazier would even make it close enough to trade up to.
That's not even close to true. DJ Williams was considered by some to be NFL ready in high school.
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I don't think Shazier will make it past #21 Green Bay. For perspective, D.J. Williams didn't last past #18, and he wasn't even close to the prospect that Shazier is.

Considering there are only 22-25 blue chip prospects in this draft (depending on which expert you ask), it's wishful thinking to hope that Shazier would even make it close enough to trade up to.
Comparing prospects taken in previous years is pretty fruitless, imo. There are so many variables every year that it's impossible to judge where one player will go compared to similar prospects in years past.
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That's not even close to true. DJ Williams was considered by some to be NFL ready in high school.
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That's not even close to true. DJ Williams was considered by some to be NFL ready in high school.
I'm not saying D.J. was a chump, he wasn't. DJ was known for his speed and athleticism, but Vilma was a better overall prospect, and was drafted first. Shazier is faster than DJ, with a lot more production, and much better character/leadership skills, plus he's actually had an opportunity to play MLB in college and get getter. DJ didn't get that opportunity until much later in his career, and didn't do well.
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Comparing prospects taken in previous years is pretty fruitless, imo. There are so many variables every year that it's impossible to judge where one player will go compared to similar prospects in years past.
Judging by past drafts, Shazier would be somewhere in the neighborhood of a top #15 prospect. This draft is no different than any other when it comes to blue chip prospects. Even if it is an extraordinarily deep draft at certain positions.
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Judging by past drafts,
You lost my attention already. You simply can't predict a draft by what's happened in the past.

So name the 16 players drafted in the first round who Shazier will go ahead of;
Moseley? Dennard? Pryor? Taylor Lewan? Aaron Donald? Ha Ha Clinton-Dix? Justin Gilbert? Odell Beckham Jr.? Eric Ebron? Bradley Roby? Marqise Lee? Jason Verrett? Brandin Cooks? Xavier Sua-Filo? Cyrus Kouandjio? Dee Ford? Louis Nix III? Kyle Fuller? Zack Martin? Anthony Barr? Tim Jernigan? Trent Murphy?

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I can't think of a draft in recent memory where Shazier is a Top 15 guy.
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I'm not saying D.J. was a chump, he wasn't. DJ was known for his speed and athleticism, but Vilma was a better overall prospect, and was drafted first. Shazier is faster than DJ, with a lot more production, and much better character/leadership skills, plus he's actually had an opportunity to play MLB in college and get getter. DJ didn't get that opportunity until much later in his career, and didn't do well.
Vilma was the leader of that D and considered to be one of the best MLB prospects in quite some time. He was considered to be as good or better than Dan Morgan before him.

DJ was considered to be a WLB and had lesser value due to that.
Shazier is not seen as near the prospect as DJ. It is not even close.
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I can't think of a draft in recent memory where Shazier is a Top 15 guy.
The only LB prospects that you could say might have projected better than Mosley or Shazier in the last 5 years are Kuechly, Wagner, and Mclain. And all those guys were projected at MLB. 2 of then were drafted in the top 15. You have to go really far back to find an OLB prospect a good as Shazier. Mayo in 2008 isn't even as good of a prospect.

No way teams are just going to let Shazier drop.
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Vilma was the leader of that D and considered to be one of the best MLB prospects in quite some time. He was considered to be as good or better than Dan Morgan before him.

DJ was considered to be a WLB and had lesser value due to that.
Shazier is not seen as near the prospect as DJ. It is not even close.
Lets get this straight. You value a 100 tackle OLB, with a 4.54 forty and a 10 cent brain, over a 140 tackle OLB, with a 4.38 forty who was the leader of his Defense?
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The only LB prospects that you could say might have projected better than Mosley or Shazier in the last 5 years are Kuechly, Wagner, and Mclain. And all those guys were projected at MLB. 2 of then were drafted in the top 15. You have to go really far back to find an OLB prospect a good as Shazier. Mayo in 2008 isn't even as good of a prospect.

No way teams are just going to let Shazier drop.

The feeling I have right now is depends on the top 10. If a couple QB's go I can see guys falling more ie Mosley Shazier but, still feel Denver does need to trade up to get them. If only 1 qb goes in top 10 I think Mosley and Shazier are long gone. Then add the OMG picks that always happen really screws up apple cart as well.

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The only LB prospects that you could say might have projected better than Mosley or Shazier in the last 5 years are Kuechly, Wagner, and Mclain. And all those guys were projected at MLB. 2 of then were drafted in the top 15. You have to go really far back to find an OLB prospect a good as Shazier. Mayo in 2008 isn't even as good of a prospect.

No way teams are just going to let Shazier drop.
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Why is nobody talking about Shazier's age I mean come on the dude played basketball at UCONN and then for the Pistons.
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Why is nobody talking about Shazier's age I mean come on the dude played basketball at UCONN and then for the Pistons.
He's only 22.
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He's only 22.
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He's only 22.
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