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Old 04-28-2014, 09:45 AM   #176
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Jean Baptiste is over-rated, this is coming from a huge Nebraska fan. I've seen him live three times and on TV week in and week out. If Sherman and tall CB's weren't so in vogue right now then he's a 5th rounder.

Somebody has a crush on Moncrief? I think we can get Donte in the 3rd round, scratch Baptiste and pick up a quality player in the 2nd.
1. Ryan Shazier
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Moncrief will go in the 2nd round. Book it!

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Old 04-28-2014, 12:03 PM   #177
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Moncrief will go in the 2nd round. Book it!
I don't doubt that he'll go in the 2nd, I just pray that it isn't the Broncos who take him there. I can list 20+ players I'd rather have in rd 2, and a few of them would be WRs.
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My feeling is if Mosley drops down to say 25 Broncos could move up for him. Not sure what they would give but I don't think they would give enough to say move up into the teens for him etc. But maybe a few spots if that is what it took.

Then I bet fall back plan is Shazier. Then if he wasn't there maybe Kony Ealy or whichever CB they think could play some in the slot this yr and play well.
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I don't think WR will be a target because they signed Sanders and kept Caldwell right? Really we don't need anything else at WR. So anything IMO would be a later round guy expected to help in 2016 etc. Then also Robinson still being groomed and if they like him it makes it even less of a chance WR is a big plan in this yrs draft.
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My feeling is if Mosley drops down to say 25 Broncos could move up for him. Not sure what they would give but I don't think they would give enough to say move up into the teens for him etc. But maybe a few spots if that is what it took.

Then I bet fall back plan is Shazier. Then if he wasn't there maybe Kony Ealy or whichever CB they think could play some in the slot this yr and play well.
Draft is too deep to move up imo.
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I don't think WR will be a target because they signed Sanders and kept Caldwell right? Really we don't need anything else at WR. So anything IMO would be a later round guy expected to help in 2016 etc. Then also Robinson still being groomed and if they like him it makes it even less of a chance WR is a big plan in this yrs draft.
We only have 4 WRs. I know we kept only 4 last year, but considering Welker is probably gone after this year, I'd be surprised if we didnt draft one
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Because the draft never goes the way any fan wants it to go, I'll just list the guys I'd like to see us draft in no particular order. Hopefully some of them will be available when we're on the clock -

[] LB is a need, so hopefully we'll be able to grab Ryan Shazier, Kyle Van Noy, or Yawin Smallwood

[] Safety needs to be improved as we have no idea if Moore is gonna be healthy or moderately tolerable when he comes back, so hopefully we can get Ed Reynolds, Tre Boston, or Vinnie Sunseri (if he's heathy)

[] Signing Talib to team with Harris means we don't have to panic and reach for a CB, we still can use quality depth and hopefully we can snag a guy like Terrance Mitchell, Jaylen Watkins, or Keith McGill (who is a converted safety)

[] WR can use some depth so a guy like Jordan Matthews or Cody Latimer will be welcomed greatly, and since Holliday took his fumbling act to NY, we could use a a guy like TJ Jones to return kicks and Ryan Grant to make those tough 3rd down conversions

[] Need to pressure the opposing QB more so a couple of pass rushers would be nice too. Kareem Martin or Kony Ealy would make most fans applaud their selection, if we wait a bit, Cassius Marsh, Josh Mauro, or Ed Stinson (is big enough to move inside to DT) might be worth a mid round selection.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:05 PM   #184
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I stopped trying to figure it out because it never goes they way I wanted it. The only pick that I actually called was Oz in the second because of Elway's hard on for his son's bff. I would like to get Shaizer from OSU in the first and Richardson the RT from Tennessee or one of those big WR's like Bryant from Clemson, Jordan Matthews or Moncrief in the second but who knows!
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I don't think WR will be a target because they signed Sanders and kept Caldwell right? Really we don't need anything else at WR. So anything IMO would be a later round guy expected to help in 2016 etc. Then also Robinson still being groomed and if they like him it makes it even less of a chance WR is a big plan in this yrs draft.
Caldwell is purely a depth guy at this point, Welker is one concussion away from an extended absence and Robinson is listed as a TE on the roster at this point. We need to add some quality depth at the position with a guy who can be a starter in 2015.
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Caldwell is purely a depth guy at this point, Welker is one concussion away from an extended absence and Robinson is listed as a TE on the roster at this point. We need to add some quality depth at the position with a guy who can be a starter in 2015.
I'd rather plan on DT staying, Sanders being good for a few yrs, and just renting a vet if we need depth this yr.

But the draft is 7 rounds so plenty of room to draft a WR. I would be surprised if it was first 2 rounds though. But there are a lot of good ones from what I hear so that does mean there is a chance a good one could drop and be BPA.

Still I like the idea of improving the oline, the linebackers, and maybe a DE.
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I'd rather plan on DT staying, Sanders being good for a few yrs, and just renting a vet if we need depth this yr.

But the draft is 7 rounds so plenty of room to draft a WR. I would be surprised if it was first 2 rounds though. But there are a lot of good ones from what I hear so that does mean there is a chance a good one could drop and be BPA.

Still I like the idea of improving the oline, the linebackers, and maybe a DE.
There is no way in hell Elway will gamble like that after the injuries we suffered last season and with Manning getting older.
We have 2 legitimate long term WR's in DT and Sanders, Welker is in the final season of his deal and had injury issues last season. Caldwell is depth and then you have nothing else at pure WR.
I fully expect us to take a WR in the top 3 rounds, I honestly think it will be in the 2nd depending on the board and who falls.
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was watching nfln last night and two guys doing the show said that the Broncos had a shot of drafting Shazier and that he'd work out fine as the Broncos Mike.

really?
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was watching nfln last night and two guys doing the show said that the Broncos had a shot of drafting Shazier and that he'd work out fine as the Broncos Mike.

really?
It would be entertaining to watch Shazier & Trev flying around making plays.
Run defense might be a bit suspect but some fool would get cracked over the middle.
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It would be entertaining to watch Shazier & Trev flying around making plays.
Run defense might be a bit suspect but some fool would get cracked over the middle.
Id be ok with this so long as we add another run thumper (or Irving plays this role again)
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Id be ok with this so long as we add another run thumper (or Irving plays this role again)
The issue with the theory of a thumper and a coverage guy is that if you take the coverage guy higher than the thumper, the coverage guy is not really going to leave the field. Except maybe in the red zone and on obvious run downs.

Unless you are actually going to draft and develop a legit complete MLB then you end up with the same problem.

Trev is not leaving the field, Von is playing a ton of snaps flexing between SAM and DE.
The thumper would only get time at SAM when Von shifts to DE and at MLB on running downs. The coverage guy would likely be on the field at MLB and potentially only shift to WLB, expect Danny is not leaving the field.

Now if you draft the thumper first, then it flips to where the coverage guy comes in on passing downs.
Whoever the person we draft needs to be a complete guy or can be developed into a complete guy.
2 is not better than 1 in the scenario.
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*sighs* Once again, we are talking about my preference vs the team's thought process.
I do not now nor have I ever agreed with the thought process of playing the nickel so much.
I want no part of a should be OLB playing MLB, I want no part of a over 50% nickle defense.
The reality of the situation is that the team for whatever reason sees fit to ignore the problem and try to band aid it with on their last leg vets, playing guys out of position or designating a guy there and then moving him.

They have made it work for them. It has holes but for the current personnel it works well.

I do not like how the defense is set up. I have said this many times.
I want a legitimate MLB, I want them to leave the damn MLB on the field and let him make the play calls.
I do not want to see nickel defense with 2 coverage LB's on the field most of the time because it leaves us heavily exposed in the run game.
I want them to have a stout run defense and a solid passing defense without potential gimmicks or modeling a D because you won't address a issue.

Of course what I want does not matter. That however will not stop me from voicing that opinion. Defensive tackle was a area in which the team ignored it for years and it came back to bite them as DT's get overpaid in FA much like pass rushing DE's and deep play WR's.
I see MLB as a similar problem. Why would you continually know of a problem and see that attempting a year to year fix does not work and yet still not fix it?
Saying you use the nickel a lot is not a good excuse.

I never said I did not see the logical in your views in terms of what the team does.
Only that I hate the idea and hope it ends quickly.
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We are in Nickel more often than not, because we are typically playing with the lead and teams need to throw to catch up. It's not like we will be playing Nickel in obvious running situations.

Look at the MLBs in the NFL, the really good ones are somewhat rangy and can cover. The days of the thumper are leaving the game along with the FB on offense.

It would be nice to have a three down player, but unless we draft Mosley, we are talking about taking a cover guy and that's what's important in today's NFL.
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If the Broncos can't get a legit pass rush going with 4 dlineman than there's a problem. Having the base set be the 5-2 says more about the crappy dline than anything else. As for Miller, I don't understand why they can't blitz him out of a base 4-3 instead of always lining him up on the outside of the dline. Regardless, if the Broncos insist on running the 5-2 then who ever the LBers are, they have to cover a lot of ground, Shazier can do that.
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was watching nfln last night and two guys doing the show said that the Broncos had a shot of drafting Shazier and that he'd work out fine as the Broncos Mike.

really?
Just for comparison sakes.

Shazier is 237.

Wagner is 241, Kuechly is 235, Willis is 240, Donald Butler is 242, Curtis Lofton is 241.

Probably some others.

But Shazier weighs just less than all of them but Kuechly.

Behind our massive DL, he would be ok for a few years.
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yah, I'm warming up to Shazier more and more...
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I'd rather plan on DT staying, Sanders being good for a few yrs, and just renting a vet if we need depth this yr.

But the draft is 7 rounds so plenty of room to draft a WR. I would be surprised if it was first 2 rounds though. But there are a lot of good ones from what I hear so that does mean there is a chance a good one could drop and be BPA.

Still I like the idea of improving the oline, the linebackers, and maybe a DE.
Caldwell is a pure depth guy.

Welker has concussion issues.

Depth is needed there, we far from fine.

We have plenty at DE between Wolfe, Jackson, Q, Ware, McCray, Miller when he moves to DE.

WR should be picked within the first 3 rounds, no two ways about it.
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*sighs* Once again, we are talking about my preference vs the team's thought process.
I do not now nor have I ever agreed with the thought process of playing the nickel so much.
I want no part of a should be OLB playing MLB, I want no part of a over 50% nickle defense.
The reality of the situation is that the team for whatever reason sees fit to ignore the problem and try to band aid it with on their last leg vets, playing guys out of position or designating a guy there and then moving him.

They have made it work for them. It has holes but for the current personnel it works well.

I do not like how the defense is set up. I have said this many times.
I want a legitimate MLB, I want them to leave the damn MLB on the field and let him make the play calls.
I do not want to see nickel defense with 2 coverage LB's on the field most of the time because it leaves us heavily exposed in the run game.
I want them to have a stout run defense and a solid passing defense without potential gimmicks or modeling a D because you won't address a issue.

Of course what I want does not matter. That however will not stop me from voicing that opinion. Defensive tackle was a area in which the team ignored it for years and it came back to bite them as DT's get overpaid in FA much like pass rushing DE's and deep play WR's.
I see MLB as a similar problem. Why would you continually know of a problem and see that attempting a year to year fix does not work and yet still not fix it?
Saying you use the nickel a lot is not a good excuse.

I never said I did not see the logical in your views in terms of what the team does.
Only that I hate the idea and hope it ends quickly.
We run a ton of nickel because we get leads and FORCE teams to pass the ball.

Most teams use a lot of 3-CB sets or 3-S sets (Saints) when they go to nickel.

The days of the big, ol goober at MLB are over.

It's a passing league, and getting a coverage LB is more important than a 3-down run stuffer.
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