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Old 03-31-2014, 03:18 PM   #101
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Tallest OG in the League at 6'7"?
Louis Vasquez - 6046"
Orlando Franklin - 6054"

Once again, I don't have a dog in this race. Personal insults and hyperbole aside, it's not a if Franklin didn't dominate at LG in college.

If you guys are that concerned, why don't you mount a protest on the steps of the capitol building? Is not as if complaining on the Orangemane is going to get you anywhere.
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Louis Vasquez - 6046"
Orlando Franklin - 6054"

Once again, I don't have a dog in this race. Personal insults and hyperbole aside, it's not a if Franklin didn't dominate at LG in college.

If you guys are that concerned, why don't you mount a protest on the steps of the capitol building? Is not as if complaining on the Orangemane is going to get you anywhere.
He was a LT as a senior.
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He was a LT as a senior.
He played that year "out of position" according to scouts. Also played with a torn meniscus most the year.
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Old 03-31-2014, 03:58 PM   #104
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He was a LT as a senior.
And he started at LG as a Sophomore and Junior. The Broncos are going to play him wherever they see fit. The only thing I have to say on the matter is that they are going to have a hard time fitting him under the cap in 2015, so plan accordingly.
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Judging by the emotional reactions on this thread, there are going to be a lot of butthurt Broncos fans when Franklin is moved to LG.
Can't imagine why butthurt ... the idea's been bandied endlessly since Draft Day 2011, when the Fox-master himself talked about it.

Huge for a guard, but HE'S THE SAME SIZE AS LEOMARD DABIS who made the same move after leaving AZ for Dallas, and he went to 3 straight Pro Bowls ....... so I think butthurt is an overreaction.

Maybe look at the cup half-full ... they must LOVE Chris Clark to make such a move.

It's true Franklin ranked among the very best pass-blocking RTs, this Patriots fan site called him the best pass-blocking RT in the league a year ago (Click).

Pro Football Focus graded him the #2 pass-blocking RT in 2012:


Too bad nobody introduced him to Cliff Avril before the Super Bowl started ...
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I like Franklin and think he adds a lot of value but "elite" and "one of the best" are descriptors I wouldn't use.

"Elite" and "one of the best" RTs would kick over to LT when Clady went down last year as opposed to starting someone with little to no experience and an UDFA pedigree.

In fact, I think it's pretty evident he isn't even in the top 2 of our own tackles...

I'm all for retaining Franklin, and I like what he adds quite a bit, but at the moment, we don't even KNOW he'll be a starter in September.

Does he stay at RT?

If so, does he compete with Clark?

If so, can he even win the job?

Does he kick inside to LG?

If so, can he handle it?

Do we draft a superior player?

A lot of questions that aren't conducive to handing him an extension right now. I'm quite firmly in Elway's camp on this one.
I think this is a good point but at the same time, not all players would be able to swap positions like that. You've got guys who are natural LT's, natural RT's, and guys that could do either. I think Franklin is clearly a natural RT.

As for Clark, I don't see much chance that he would start over Franklin at RT. Clark was a holdover from the McDaniels regime and our current staff not only selected Franklin but started him over Clark as a rookie, which seems to be even more telling considering John Fox's preference for starting veterans. Granted though, that was 2011 and it's possible things have changed since then.
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Old 04-02-2014, 05:37 PM   #108
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This is the 1st thread ever that I've seen people complain about Franklin or claim he's average.

Ridiculous.

How are you people even grading or judging Franklin? Manning has been 1st and 2nd in the league past 2 years in sacks, and Franklin obviously is a mauler in the run game...

But some how...he's not a good RT.
I think a lot of people, myself included, attribute the OL play to Manning. He makes the OL look better. Even Clark looked really good at LT last year. Whether that is because of Clark or Manning (same thing with Franklin), you'd have to ask someone who knows better than me. I don't think anyone has said he is a bad RT. I just think the debate is whether or not he is Elite.
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Love Franklin. Dude is solid. Anyone who thinks differently just hasn't been watching.

There was a great interview with Franklin on 104.3 this afternoon. Totally owned his Super Bowl performance, gave credit to the Seahawks, and said it was the worst game of his career. Said he loves playing for the Broncos and doesn't care whether he plays guard or tackle! Just total class. Said his tweet was about frustration of people on the internet calling him out about the Super Bowl, and not directed at all at the Broncos or his teammates. Loved his attitude.

I'd love to see our lineup be Clady, Franklin, ManRam, Vasquez, and Clark. Can you imagine how filthy that line will be for Montee Ball running to the left side?
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Love Franklin. Dude is solid. Anyone who thinks differently just hasn't been watching.

There was a great interview with Franklin on 104.3 this afternoon. Totally owned his Super Bowl performance, gave credit to the Seahawks, and said it was the worst game of his career. Said he loves playing for the Broncos and doesn't care whether he plays guard or tackle! Just total class. Said his tweet was about frustration of people on the internet calling him out about the Super Bowl, and not directed at all at the Broncos or his teammates. Loved his attitude.

I'd love to see our lineup be Clady, Franklin, ManRam, Vasquez, and Clark. Can you imagine how filthy that line will be for Montee Ball running to the left side?

He should Direct it to some who thinks he's terrible here. Like others have said, this is the 1st time I've seen some throw out this BS. Everyone had a horrendous game in the SB.
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I think a lot of people, myself included, attribute the OL play to Manning. He makes the OL look better. Even Clark looked really good at LT last year. Whether that is because of Clark or Manning (same thing with Franklin), you'd have to ask someone who knows better than me. I don't think anyone has said he is a bad RT. I just think the debate is whether or not he is Elite.
Before Manning showed up Franklin was the ONLY broncos OL who had a positive grade.
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Before Manning showed up Franklin was the ONLY broncos OL who had a positive grade.
Right, does a positive grade make him elite though? I was just trying to answer why I thought the discussion was going on. I'm do not know OL well enough to have a strong opinion one way or another. I don't think anyone thinks he is bad at RT, but some people think he might be better at Guard than Tackle. I don't think thats an entirely unreasonable thought.
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Right, does a positive grade make him elite though? I was just trying to answer why I thought the discussion was going on. I'm do not know OL well enough to have a strong opinion one way or another. I don't think anyone thinks he is bad at RT, but some people think he might be better at Guard than Tackle. I don't think thats an entirely unreasonable thought.
Elite is a pretty strong term when evaluating a player. Id label him good to great. Not many are labeled it. I just mentioned him being the only lineman to grade out positive before manning showed up to show him being good isn't just a result of manning.
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Orlando Franklin (104.3 the FAN):

1. Definitely benefits me, and suits my talents to move inside.
2. Superbowl by far my worst game of my career.
3. I don't get to be as physical as I want to be at OT.
4. They lined up Cliff Avril at wide-9, and knew that I had issues getting out there. Then he was able to counter it into a bull-rush.
5. It doesn't matter if I play at RT or LG.
6. Just continue getting flexible, it doesn't matter for me where I play. I just want to be on the field.
7. I knew at some point in my career I would move to Guard. That's always been a possibility since I was drafted.

Broncos told him he would get an opportunity to play at both spots in camp.
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Does logic go right out the window when you judge people on TV?
Let's not pretend that judging people while you're in front of a screen isn't what you spend most of your time doing around here. Let's also not pretend that logic is behind every one of your confrontations.
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move him to guard and sign him to a contract extension then everyone will be happy.
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Can anyone quote ANYONE who said anything close to that?

I've seen several people complain about people thinking he's "terrible" but haven't read a single post that actually said anything negative about him.
A C at my alma maters would be classified as terrible.
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If getting the best 5 on the field means Franklin at G and Clark at RT then that is fine with me
I think that looks that is the plan with Montgomery as insurance
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I'll patiently wait here while you explain how that has any relevance to the discussion or the situation.
Scroll back. Someone gave him a C grade and said he hasn't been worth the draft spot he was taken in. He absolutely has been worth a 2nd rounder. MUG stated Franklin "will absolutely lose out to Clark". That IMO states he doesn't think very highly of Franklin if a career back up(until injury forced him to start) easily beats him out.
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So from there you decided the appropriate leap in judgment was that they think he's "terrible"?
Terrible would be losing your solid starting position to a career back up player. And someone had stated he would absolutely lose his spot to one. So ya.


Not sure why you are zeroing in on me when I've seen at least 10 posts from others bringing up Franklin "hate"
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By the same places that "graded" Orlando so highly do the same with Clark who played a far more difficult role.

In fact, Dallas and own Ware were shut down so hard that they started rolling to Franklin.

I don't agree with MUG that it's a slam dunk for Clark, but it's certainly not a slam dunk for Franklin either.

More importantly and to a broader OM audience: if you don't CONSTANTLY blow every player, you're not a hater.

Who's talking about blowing every player? I dislike quite a few actually. As far as grades Clark was the only OL with a negative grade this year. He performed well overrall but IMO he doesn't unseat a player who's been good to great over his career.
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By the same places that "graded" Orlando so highly do the same with Clark who played a far more difficult role.

In fact, Dallas and own Ware were shut down so hard that they started rolling to Franklin.

I don't agree with MUG that it's a slam dunk for Clark, but it's certainly not a slam dunk for Franklin either.

More importantly and to a broader OM audience: if you don't CONSTANTLY blow every player, you're not a hater.
Clark completely owned Ware that day. Does that mean I think Clark would beat out Franklin at RT? Nah.
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Also, you know full well how intellectually dishonest this post is.



Oh well ****... if everyone else did it, then it must be right... even if it doesn't actually exist anywhere!
Where in that quote does it say "must be right"
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...you mean aside from when you came out and said it right here?



The best you've managed to defend yourself with is that a poster referred to him as a "C" which is the definition of average and not terrible. In fact, it's quite literally a ways away from terrible.
No. The best I've managed to defend was someone saying Franklin absolutely loses his job to a career back up.
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FYI, next time someone calls you on hyperbole, just say, "Yeah, I'm exaggerating, I just feel he's under-appreciated by some"

The "Desperate-Clutch For a Flimsy-Ass Excuse" is just a very poor strategy.
Sorry but saying "absolutely loses his starting position" is saying that player isn't good.


Sorry next time I'll say "isn't good" instead of terrible.

I can now see why you have so many enemies here. Your posts come off as belittling anyone who you don't agree with.
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