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Old 03-12-2014, 10:54 AM   #51
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By 2016 that cap will be 30 mil more then right now. What don't you get about that 400?
I don't get the projection when there is a total lack of a factual basis for it.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:57 AM   #52
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I don't get the projection when there is a total lack of a factual basis for it.
I gave you a link in this thread, check it out. They can project it because nfl revenue growth is soaring and only going higher.

Soon they will go into Europe etc etc. More playoff games on the horizon as well 400hz. Read the article.
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:08 AM   #54
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I read the article. Unnamed sources say the cap could hit 160 million in 2016.
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:09 AM   #55
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400HZ, you should worry more about the terrible Donald Brown signing.

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San Diego is right up against the cap and desperate for contributors on defense. They’re not the deepest team on offense, but the one place they seemed to be set for 2014 is at running back, where they could serve up a cost-effective combination of Ryan Mathews and Danny Woodhead for $3.75 million in 2015. So why did they make their sole foray into free agency on Tuesday a trip to sign Brown, who was a competent running back for the Colts last year, but is hardly somebody who will represent a significant upgrade over the backs they already have? Brown might very well start for the team in 2015, but the Chargers might very well have waited and gotten Brown — or somebody just as good as Brown — for a fraction of the cost.
http://grantland.com/features/free-agent-frenzy/
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Keep hearing how the Broncos will find themselves in cap hell in two years. People forget 20-mill (PFM) will be off the books in two years.
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:12 AM   #57
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I gave you a link in this thread, check it out. They can project it because nfl revenue growth is soaring and only going higher.

Soon they will go into Europe etc etc. More playoff games on the horizon as well 400hz. Read the article.
I don't trust some of the crusty old owners to allow a $30m hike over only two years. Bidwell, Brown, etc. are all very familiar with creative accounting. Or they could just take a page out of the Jimmy Haslem playbook.
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:12 AM   #58
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I don't foresee the Broncos being in cap hell anytime soon.
Elway is very draft heavy and the way he structures his contracts they are very cap friendly. Plus, Manning is likely the only guy that comes near to making 20 mil per season and his money comes off the books when his contract ends and he is retired.
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400HZ, you should worry more about the terrible Donald Brown signing.

http://grantland.com/features/free-agent-frenzy/
Fortunately for you guys, I have enough time today to worry about multiple teams.
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:35 AM   #60
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I don't trust some of the crusty old owners to allow a $30m hike over only two years. Bidwell, Brown, etc. are all very familiar with creative accounting. Or they could just take a page out of the Jimmy Haslem playbook.
Not when more powerful owners like Bowlen are revenue sharing with them.
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:40 AM   #61
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I don't trust some of the crusty old owners to allow a $30m hike over only two years. Bidwell, Brown, etc. are all very familiar with creative accounting. Or they could just take a page out of the Jimmy Haslem playbook.
1. They don't have to spend it if they don't want. I'm sure they'll have a nice cushion between the max and min caps.

2. It doesn't require a unanimous owner vote.
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:47 AM   #62
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The main thing people don't realize yet, is that the Broncos don't do contracts like most other teams. Denver by and large does not pay signing bonuses, they do guaranteed salaries with reasonable exit options. This means that they don't borrow future cap dollars to pay for players today. Thus, no cap hell in coming years. Peyton's contract is an excellent example of this. In round numbers, they gave Peyton a $100M contract over 5 years. They could cut him after years 1, 3, or 4 and not suffer any future cap hit.

Again in round numbers:
Year 1: ~$20M guaranteed
Optional Years 2&3: ~$40M guaranteed
Optional Year 4: ~$20M guaranteed
Optional Year 5: ~$20M guaranteed

There are some specific neck-related protection in the contract as well. The main point is, the Broncos signed the biggest free agent ever to a "$100 million" contract, and could have pretty much parted ways at any point without putting themselves into cap hell. This is not the exception for their contracts, it is the rule. Mike Sullivan (and Saint John) are killing it.
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400HZ, you should worry more about the terrible Donald Brown signing.

http://grantland.com/features/free-agent-frenzy/
I like the Brown signing. When Mathews went out against Denver in the playoff game, the running game went dead.
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Fortunately for you guys, I have enough time today to worry about multiple teams.




Seriously though, Donald Brown with that deal? thoughts?
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Seriously though, Donald Brown with that deal? thoughts?
Ryan Matthews needs to be paired with someone. I get that part. I'm not sure I get the part where they pay Donald Brown $10.5 million to do it.
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SD is going to become INDY west if your GM Tommy has anything to say about it, and he sure does! Kavell Conner also in town for a visit
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Not when more powerful owners like Bowlen are revenue sharing with them.
That gutless drunk?
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What are you doing here TODAY Charger fans?

You think any of us are on a bolts board today?

Says something doesn't it....
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Why would Chargers want Brown when they had a good 1-2 punch at RB last yr? If anything they need more defense.
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That gutless drunk?
It's all part of the plan. Salary cap problems is just a smokescreen to appease fans who live in cities without the free spending owners.

Guys like Spanos run it more as a money making venture. Guys like Bowlen want to win, drink, and wear fur coats.
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Why would Chargers want Brown when they had a good 1-2 punch at RB last yr? If anything they need more defense.
Woodhead is not a guy that can replace Mathews. Hello?

Yes, they need more defense. I expect them to go heavy in defense the draft and pick up some free agents down the line, when prices get more reasonable.
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It's all part of the plan. Salary cap problems is just a smokescreen to appease fans who live in cities without the free spending owners.

Guys like Spanos run it more as a money making venture. Guys like Bowlen want to win, drink, and wear fur coats.
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Why would Chargers want Brown when they had a good 1-2 punch at RB last yr? If anything they need more defense.
They needed a 1st and 2nd down compliment to Ryan Mathews because of his durability issues. The ghost of Ronnie Brown didn't cut it last year.
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Whether you replace them this year or next, by a rookie or a free agent, their replacement will still draw a salary and count against the cap. It is also quite likely that some of them will be resigned at much higher cap numbers or be replaced by players who account for much more cap space.

The overall point being that between taking on big free agent contracts and awarding new contracts to your core group of rookies like Miller and the Thomas', the Broncos are going to wind up more strapped for cap space than you are thinking.
Manning will retire in a year or two and free up 20 million, and the cap is expected to go up to to 160 million in a few years. So I think we'll be okay.
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They needed a 1st and 2nd down compliment to Ryan Mathews because of his durability issues. The ghost of Ronnie Brown didn't cut it last year.
Yeah I guess.
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