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Old 04-14-2014, 09:49 PM   #1476
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Are their different guys on at different times? Here in Baltimore the sports talk on 105.7 has different guys at different time slots. Each segment has their niche, and Vinny Cerrato former Redskins GM has the 10:00 - 2:00 segment, and he talks prospects, I think his evaluation skills are a joke. But he brags about loving Charles and wanting to take him. And all these player who turned out good he wanted and those who didn't, he knew it of course.
Sandy Clough is pretty good at chopping it up, but now he's on a show with two guys who don't know anything about football.

To give you a hint about Alfred Williams football acumen, he wanted the Broncos to take Lamar Miller in the 1st round in 2012. Plus they always bag on Wolfe which I hate.

Cecil Lammey's podcast (footballguys.com) is pretty cool. He has a local show here on 102.3 FM, which I try to catch sometimes.
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Old 04-15-2014, 01:27 AM   #1477
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Are their different guys on at different times? Here in Baltimore the sports talk on 105.7 has different guys at different time slots. Each segment has their niche, and Vinny Cerrato former Redskins GM has the 10:00 - 2:00 segment, and he talks prospects, I think his evaluation skills are a joke. But he brags about loving Charles and wanting to take him. And all these player who turned out good he wanted and those who didn't, he knew it of course.
Alfred Williams was a CU Buff and obviously on the Broncos Championship team, he is paired with D-Mac from 3PM-6PM here locally. Not sure why its sad to listen to talk radio about the Broncos it passes the time while at work and they do have decent insight from time to time, despite everyone here b****ing about them.
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Sandy Clough is pretty good at chopping it up, but now he's on a show with two guys who don't know anything about football.

To give you a hint about Alfred Williams football acumen, he wanted the Broncos to take Lamar Miller in the 1st round in 2012. Plus they always bag on Wolfe which I hate.

Cecil Lammey's podcast (footballguys.com) is pretty cool. He has a local show here on 102.3 FM, which I try to catch sometimes.
I agree Alfred has some crazy opinions on what the Broncos should do, Clough just likes to talk over everyone and dominate conversations...can only take so much of him.

In fairness I hated Elways 2012 draft just as much as anything Alfred was wanting.

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Who realistically can be an upgrade, i'm curious.

MAYBE Jimmie Ward.

But that would be a waste.
First and foremost it depends how Moore recovers. I was have had the same stance on him, solid but unspectacular. He's adequate, but he's not any type of difference maker. We are hoping he returns from injury to solid form. But that's not saying much.

I see Dix, Pryor, Ward, and maybe even Buccanon all as upgrades. All have at least the same if not better ball skills, all are more physical, all flashed on tape. Whether that transitions to the NFL is a different story.

I never liked Moore's game when he was coming out of college. I think those 4 are legit upgrades, with others from this class being better players potentially a few seasons down the road.
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Alfred Williams was a CU Buff and obviously on the Broncos Championship team, he is paired with D-Mac from 3PM-6PM here locally. Not sure why its sad to listen to talk radio about the Broncos it passes the time while at work and they do have decent insight from time to time, despite everyone here b****ing about them.
Yeah Alfread actaully played the sport and watches film that most on here can't get access too.

I don't like the banter but when he wants to talk X's and O's with someone like Stink he has good insight especially on the defensive side of the ball

He was actaully on the Von Miller bandwagon long before the Senior Bowl that year as the 2nd pick and a DT clone

Chris Landry provides a scout's perspective which is interesting as well so to say there is no valid information on Denver sports radio is shortsighted.

Nalen is fun to listen to
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:33 AM   #1481
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He gives up plenty of catches, but he's tenacious in going after the player. Gronkowski was getting catches before Ward crushed his legs!

Ward is top notch, I love the signing, I just think that just because we signed him doesn't mean we signed our coverage woes, particularly against TEs.
I know Ward isn't a ball hawk but he is solid in coverage especially as SS. Duke was below average to awful. As far as struggling against Gronk there isn't a single safety in the league that could cover him anyways. I didn't watch the game when he was in but he only had 2 catches before getting blown up.
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I know Ward isn't a ball hawk but he is solid in coverage especially as SS. Duke was below average to awful. As far as struggling against Gronk there isn't a single safety in the league that could cover him anyways. I didn't watch the game when he was in but he only had 2 catches before getting blown up.
Really? I thought he was very good at hawking the ball.
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I know Ward isn't a ball hawk but he is solid in coverage especially as SS. Duke was below average to awful. As far as struggling against Gronk there isn't a single safety in the league that could cover him anyways. I didn't watch the game when he was in but he only had 2 catches before getting blown up.
Most strong safeties couldn't, because it's a myth that there are shut down coverage strong safeties. Not to mention the TE is covered a lot of times by a LB.

I think Chancellor could match up with Gronkowski, not deep down the seem, but most other routes.
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Really? I thought he was very good at hawking the ball.
You must not have watched a Browns game then. There aren't many ball hawking Strong Safeties..
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Really? I thought he was very good at hawking the ball.
No he is more of a Pollard mold or Chancellor. He is very good against the run and a little better than average against the pass. Denver was already pretty good against the run and shouldn't need his play clean up as much as Cleveland did. He is way above anything Denver had on roster though.
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Old 04-15-2014, 09:10 AM   #1486
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So tons of people are for Shazier (he's my number one choice)

Is anybody adamantly against him?
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I don't love the idea of Shazier at MLB, I love him on the outside and as a nickel LB.
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There's no doubt in my mind that Rahim Moore can be a very good player for the Broncos this year, if he can fully recover from his injury. Last year, he was above average FS in the NFL (top 15). This year, I think he can be top 10.

The only problem is he's an FA after this year. I think he'll command a decent contract, which I'm not sure the Broncos can afford. If the Broncos were ahead of the curve they could draft a Safety high, who could potentially be better than Moore and cheaper in the long run.

Unfortunately, I think they are locked into taking an LB or CB in the 1st, and will probably need to address FS next offseason.
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When it comes to MLB I don't get how Mosley is not everyone's first choice if available when we pick.
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I don't love the idea of Shazier at MLB, I love him on the outside and as a nickel LB.
How about Trev at MLB? He's 6'1" 245 lbs., runs about 4.6. Perfect size and speed, great production, currently calls plays, and is a good leader.
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First and foremost it depends how Moore recovers. I was have had the same stance on him, solid but unspectacular. He's adequate, but he's not any type of difference maker. We are hoping he returns from injury to solid form. But that's not saying much.

I see Dix, Pryor, Ward, and maybe even Buccanon all as upgrades. All have at least the same if not better ball skills, all are more physical, all flashed on tape. Whether that transitions to the NFL is a different story.

I never liked Moore's game when he was coming out of college. I think those 4 are legit upgrades, with others from this class being better players potentially a few seasons down the road.
Dix or Pryor wont be there, so thats moot.

I do like Bucannon but he's more of a SS than FS.

Ward should be there but WAY too many other needs/depth holes than to take a S who would be lucky to start (CB, DL, WR, RB, OL in no specific order)
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When it comes to MLB I don't get how Mosley is not everyone's first choice if available when we pick.
If he's there when we pick, its quite intriguing.
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I don't love the idea of Shazier at MLB, I love him on the outside and as a nickel LB.
I dont love him as an MLB either, but considering we don't have another guy who can play that nickel spot, he's awfully intriguing. I just can't see how he'll be a bad addition. He'll add some serious athleticism to the D, that's never a bad thing.

But yes, I agree with the general sentiment around the board. Every year we try to jimmy an OLB into the middle role, it fails, and then some old (very old) traditional mike gets serious playing time. That said, we could use a guy like Shazier AND a traditional Mike. Kinda thin there.
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How about Trev at MLB? He's 6'1" 245 lbs., runs about 4.6. Perfect size and speed, great production, currently calls plays, and is a good leader.
I was open to this last year, this is assuming we draft Shazier correct?
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I dont love him as an MLB either, but considering we don't have another guy who can play that nickel spot, he's awfully intriguing. I just can't see how he'll be a bad addition. He'll add some serious athleticism to the D, that's never a bad thing.

But yes, I agree with the general sentiment around the board. Every year we try to jimmy an OLB into the middle role, it fails, and then some old (very old) traditional mike gets serious playing time. That said, we could use a guy like Shazier AND a traditional Mike. Kinda thin there.
The concerns with Shazier are real. He gets washed out of plays, takes bad angles, false steps, and relies on his speed to recover. He's best chasing, I don't love him on the inside.. I think over time he could be a three down MLB, not sure right away.

As Price mentioned, Trevethan could potentially shift inside.
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I was open to this last year, this is assuming we draft Shazier correct?
Yes
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We could try Trevethan at MLB, or rotate snaps with Irving getting obvious run downs at MLB and Shazier in rotation with Trevethan.

All kinds of mixes, but I'm not sure our front office sees Trevethan as a MLB.
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The cap hit while large will only take place in 2015. The rest of it is a normal cap hit. The Browns can absorb the hit, essentially they are playing chess and calling Mack's bluff.




Honestly. Who legitimately wants to play for Cleveland unless they are new coming in and getting paid?
That is a **** storm of a team and has been for years.
But you will never get better if you do not draft, develop and keep your talented players.
Mack is not a player they can easily lose and then replace.
With that said, for a guaranteed 26 mil over 2 years most guys will shut up and play.
Since it's Tax Day:

$26 mil x Florida state income tax (0%) = Zero $
$26 mil x Ohio state income tax (5.92%) = $1.539 mil
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Shazier and a retread for 1st and 2nd down. Try Trev at MLB.
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Shazier and a retread for 1st and 2nd down. Try Trev at MLB.
Irving may be able to play as a two down MLB, or we can sign a player like Pat Angerer.
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