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Old 04-14-2014, 06:59 AM   #1476
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Lestat, most of those guys you mentioned are not three down MLBs. We don't necessarily need a two down leader, what happens when we leaves the field for coverage and subpackages.

We need a coverage LB for subpackages, since we do not have another one currently. If that player can become a three down MLB, then that's just icing on the cake. I think your looking at all the wrong prospects..
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Old 04-14-2014, 07:05 AM   #1477
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This is good football talk, more importantly it's about potential Broncos.

I don't want to see a wasted draft pick on a two down thumper. I truly think Irving or a free agent (Pat Angerer) could handle that. We need either a three down MLB which is rare, otherwise we need another coverage LB for nickel.

Now, if that coverage player can handle being a three down Mike, that's great, or if he can grow into that role over time, perfect! But as I see it, we need a coverage LB no matter what.

Now let's identify the different types of LBs, and project their round.

Three Down MLB:
Mosley Round 1
*And he's the only one I see as a true 3 down MLB right away.

Potential Three Down MLB:

Shazier Round 1
*We know he'd be dynamite in subpackages, could he hold up at MLB?

Van Noy Round 1-2
*His football instincts are incredible, always flashing and making plays. Because he can pass rush, his coverage ability is over looked, it's a strength, but could he play MLB?

Christian Jones Round 3
*Much like Van Noy he showed ability to pass rush, but he's a fluid athlete, solid in coverage, but could he play MLB?

Jordan Tripp Round ?
*Theres so little to go off of, we know like Shazier he can cover, could he hold up at MLB?

After that your looking at two categories.
Coverage LBs:

Telvin Smith and Pierre Louis
*These guys would be platoon players, who's job is to play Nickel D.

Maybe Three Down LBs:

Borland, Smallwood, Barrow, Zumwalt, Williams, and Divitto
*Guys who have played inside and outside, aren't exceptional coverage players, but are competent there. May or may not be long term three down MLBs?
Lestat the vast majority of guys you mentioned don't even fall into that category, the list I quoted above are coverage players, who may or may not be three down players. You want a two down thumper just because he's tough and a leader. The days of LBs like that are going away, much like a FB. The NFL is evolving, and the MLB has to evolve with the game. If one of the prospects you mentioned is the leader when on the field, who becomes the leader when he leaves the field. Only one player should be taking and giving the calls.

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Old 04-14-2014, 08:16 AM   #1478
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I may be in the minority that having a 3 down MLB is a luxury not a need. The using a 2 down MLB and pulling him in passing situations has been just fine the last 2 years. Sure it would be nice to have a Bowman but the price has been right on Denver MLB the past 2 years too. I prefer a S, CB or G before MLB.
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I may be in the minority that having a 3 down MLB is a luxury not a need. The using a 2 down MLB and pulling him in passing situations has been just fine the last 2 years. Sure it would be nice to have a Bowman but the price has been right on Denver MLB the past 2 years too. I prefer a S, CB or G before MLB.
That will probably be the plan as far as MLB is concerned. Maybe we add a two down MLB or we use Irving for that and pull them for a subpackage coverage guy.

I see a subpackage LB as a need, not a drafted two down plugger.
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I may be in the minority that having a 3 down MLB is a luxury not a need. The using a 2 down MLB and pulling him in passing situations has been just fine the last 2 years. Sure it would be nice to have a Bowman but the price has been right on Denver MLB the past 2 years too. I prefer a S, CB or G before MLB.
True. But I think this leaves us susceptible to teams like the Pats who have really good TE kill you in the pass game and can run from those formations. I think the next evolution is to have a "Big Nickle" type player on the field more often.
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True. But I think this leaves us susceptible to teams like the Pats who have really good TE kill you in the pass game and can run from those formations. I think the next evolution is to have a "Big Nickle" type player on the field more often.
Would be nice if Duke developed where we can use 3 safeties, and have Ward as the Joker like KC uses Berry and Sea uses Kam as the nickel LB.

It's a need, yes, but nothing massive.
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Would be nice if Duke developed where we can use 3 safeties, and have Ward as the Joker like KC uses Berry and Sea uses Kam as the nickel LB.

It's a need, yes, but nothing massive.
I think that if Deone Buccannon is available I'd jump to the stage with his name on the card.
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I don't want to play three safeties unless we upgrade our third, Pryor, Ward, Buccanon and bring Ward down, then maybe. As the roster stands now, no thanks.

The best solution is still to add a coverage LB.
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I think that if Deone Buccannon is available I'd jump to the stage with his name on the card.
In the 2nd?

Depends where we go in the 1st.
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Would be nice if Duke developed where we can use 3 safeties, and have Ward as the Joker like KC uses Berry and Sea uses Kam as the nickel LB.

It's a need, yes, but nothing massive.
This is spot on with what I've been thinking... This would make HaHa or Pryor a great pick as well. Haha/Pryor, The Dream, Ward, Talib, Harris, Trevathon, Von, Ware, Sly/Vick, Pot Roast, Wolfe. Try passing against that..... kick Wolfe in for Pot Roast and bring in Malik or Q on the edge. Yikes.....
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This is spot on with what I've been thinking... This would make HaHa or Pryor a great pick as well. Haha/Pryor, The Dream, Ward, Talib, Harris, Trevathon, Von, Ware, Sly/Vick, Pot Roast, Wolfe. Try passing against that..... kick Wolfe in for Pot Roast and bring in Malik or Q on the edge. Yikes.....
Vickerson doesnt offer any pass rush, he's pretty much a 2-down DT which is fine.

On that, i would try.

Ware-Malik-Knighton-Miller

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Duke was a liability in coverage last year, why would that all of a sudden change? Nickel packages are suppose to be stout against the pass, because it's an extra DB and the DLine is lighter with pass rushers.

If we are going to play with an extra Safety and Corner, then I think it's important that we upgrade those positions, especially Safety.
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Wouldnt sleep on Boyett.

We COULD use better safety depth but nothing early (top 3 rounds)
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Wouldnt sleep on Boyett.

We COULD use better safety depth but nothing early (top 3 rounds)
You want to play three safeties and think Duke or Boyett are the answer..
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You want to play three safeties and think Duke or Boyett are the answer..
Never said i want too, this is if we dont get another ILB to go with Danny.

And if Duke develops.

Could take Duke out and go with a 5-man line.
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You want to play three safeties and think Duke or Boyett are the answer..
I personally don't want to see Nacho anywhere on the field unless he is on kickoff coverage.
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Never said i want too, this is if we dont get another ILB to go with Danny.

And if Duke develops.

Could take Duke out and go with a 5-man line.
That's not ideal for coverage..
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I personally don't want to see Nacho anywhere on the field unless he is on kickoff coverage.
String Safeties aren't coverage players traditionally.

That includes Ward. Yet people continue to think he is the answer to covering TEs and will solve our coverage woes from Safety.

If we want to play 3 safeties we need to draft a FS/SS tweener, Pryor, Dix, Ward, or Bucannon.

Otherwise we need a nickel coverage LB.
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You don't want Trent Boyett in coverage.
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That's not ideal for coverage..
Moore, Ward, Harris, Talib, Webster is fine.

Trev can cover TE's.
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Moore, Ward, Harris, Talib, Webster is fine.

Trev can cover TE's.
It depends on their personnel.. That sounds good in theory but it's about matchups.

We are in nickel often, so we either need an upgrade at Safety, CB, or LB.
I expect to see upgrades at all three, with Safety being the wild card.
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It depends on their personnel.. That sounds good in theory but it's about matchups.

We are in nickel often, so we either need an upgrade at Safety, CB, or LB.
I expect to see upgrades at all three, with Safety being the wild card.
Safety cant really upgrade at all over Rahim.

CB needs better depth.

LB depends who is there, or if they like Shazier or the unexpected if Mosely falls to 31.
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String Safeties aren't coverage players traditionally.

That includes Ward. Yet people continue to think he is the answer to covering TEs and will solve our coverage woes from Safety.

If we want to play 3 safeties we need to draft a FS/SS tweener, Pryor, Dix, Ward, or Bucannon.

Otherwise we need a nickel coverage LB.
Wasn't Ward pretty good on TE last year?
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Wasn't Ward pretty good on TE last year?
This is a misconception, he's physical on everybody, and is aggressive in his approach, solid in coverage, but considering he's facing below average TEs in the AFC North especially with Pitta out, he may have inflated his coverage stats.

He gives up plenty of catches, but he's tenacious in going after the player. Gronkowski was getting catches before Ward crushed his legs!

Ward is top notch, I love the signing, I just think that just because we signed him doesn't mean we signed our coverage woes, particularly against TEs.
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Safety cant really upgrade at all over Rahim.

CB needs better depth.

LB depends who is there, or if they like Shazier or the unexpected if Mosely falls to 31.
Safety can't really upgrade at all over Rahim..?

I really liked your takes until I read that..
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