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Old 04-06-2014, 03:12 PM   #1351
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Old 04-08-2014, 10:52 AM   #1352
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Comp Pick Projection Update

Buffalo - lost 3 signed 5 - none
Miami - lost 5 signed 5 - none
New England - lost 4 signed 2 - 3rd rd Talib, 7th rd Blount
NY Jets - lost 3 signed 4 - none

Baltimore - lost 4 signed 1 - 4th rd A Jones, 5th rd Graham, 5th rd Oher
Cincinnati - lost 3 signed 1 - 3rd rd M Johnson, 4th rd Collins
Cleveland - lost 3 signed 7 - none
Pittsburgh - lost 7 signed 5 - 5th rd Hood, 7th rd David Johnson

Indianapolis - lost 5 signed 3 - 7th Linkenbach $900k, 7th Conner $900k
Jacksonville - lost 2 signed 5 - none
Houston - lost 7 signed 2 - 4 picks - 5th - Smith, 5th - Mitchell, 6th - Tate 6th - Mays
Tennessee - lost 2 signed 6 - none

Denver - lost 7 signed 3 - 4th - DRC, 4th - Beadles, 6th - Phillips, 7th - Ayers
Kansas City - lost 8 signed 4, 4 picks - 3rd - Albert, 5th - Asamoah, 5th - Jackson, 5th - Schwartz
Oakland - lost 6 signed 8 - none
San Diego - lost 2 signed 5 - none

Dallas - lost 2 signed 3 - none
NY Giants - lost 7 signed 9 - none
Philadelphia - lost 2 signed 4 - none
Washington - lost 3 signed 8 - none

Chicago - lost 6 signed 8 - none
Detroit - lost 4 signed 5 - none
Green Bay - lost 3 signed 1 - 6th - EDS, 6th - James Jones
Minnesota - lost 6 signed 5 - 7th rd Guion

Atlanta - lost 0 signed 5 - none
Carolina - lost 6 signed 4 - 5th rd - Munnerlyn, 6th rd - Ginn
New Orleans - lost 1 signed 1 -
Tampa Bay - lost 4 signed 10 - none

Arizona - lost 4 signed 5 - none
Seattle - lost 6 signed 0 - 4 picks 4th rd - Tate, 5th rd - Browner, 6th rd McDonald, 6th rd - Thurmond
SF 49ers - lost 3 signed 1 - 4th rd Whitner, 7th rd Dixon
St Louis - lost 3 signed 3 - none

Total picks = 35, max is 32 so three 7th rd picks with the lowest value will be dropped.

My rankings

3a New England - Talib $9.5m
3b Kansas City - Albert $9.4m
3c Cincinnati - Johnson $8.75m

4a Denver - DRC $7m
4b SF 49ers - Whitner $7m
4c Baltimore - A Jones $6.6m
4d Seattle - G Tate $6.2m
4e Cincinnati - Collins $6m
4f Denver - Beadles $6m

5a Seattle - Browner - $5.05m
5b Baltimore - Oher $5m
5c Kansas City - Jackson $5m
5d Seattle - Giacomini $4.5m
5e Houston - A Smith $4.5m
5f Kansas City - Asamoah $4.5m
5g Kansas City - Schwartz $4.2m
5h Baltimore - Graham $4.075m
5i Pittsburgh - Hood $4m
5j Houston - Mitchell $4m

6a Carolina - Munnerlyn $3.75m
6b Green Bay - Dietrich-Smith $3.56m
6c Green Bay - James Jones $3.33m
6d Carolina - Ginn $3.25m
6e Houston - Tate $3.1m
6f Seattle - Thurmond $3m
6g Denver - Moreno $3m
6h Houston - Mays $3m
6i Seattle - McDonald $3m

7a New England - Blount $1.925m
7b Denver - Ayers $1.875m
7c SF 49ers - Dixon $1.166m
7d Minnesota - Guion $985k
7e Indianapolis - Linkenbach $900k
7f Indianapolis - Conner $900k
7g Pittsburgh - David Johnson $850k
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Old 04-08-2014, 11:14 AM   #1353
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Interesting, still dont think we'll get two 4's, hope i'm wrong though.

Shouldnt we get two 6's for SP/Moreno?
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:30 PM   #1354
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Jags sign Mack to a 5-year offer sheet.

Per Schefter, Mack badly wants to play the five-year contract with the Jaguars and doesn't want to return to Cleveland. Mack's agent and the Jaguars will structure the deal in a way that will make it as difficult as possible for the Browns to match it, even though Cleveland has a boat load of cap space and a desire to retain arguably the game's best center.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:36 PM   #1355
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Jags sign Mack to a 5-year offer sheet.

Per Schefter, Mack badly wants to play the five-year contract with the Jaguars and doesn't want to return to Cleveland. Mack's agent and the Jaguars will structure the deal in a way that will make it as difficult as possible for the Browns to match it, even though Cleveland has a boat load of cap space and a desire to retain arguably the game's best center.
wow.

you done messed up Cleveland!
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:51 PM   #1356
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Just remember that while the NFL has to give out 32 comp picks, they do not have to give out 32 picks for lost FAs. The NFL will have a cutoff point somewhere, and contracts below that value will not qualify as comp picks for the teams that lost them.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:08 PM   #1357
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Cleveland has more money, how can they not match it?

Can they poison pill transition tag offer sheets? Isn't that what happened when what's his butt when from Seattle to the Vikings or whatnot, Hutchinson?
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:38 PM   #1358
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Jags sign Mack to a 5-year offer sheet.

Per Schefter, Mack badly wants to play the five-year contract with the Jaguars and doesn't want to return to Cleveland. Mack's agent and the Jaguars will structure the deal in a way that will make it as difficult as possible for the Browns to match it, even though Cleveland has a boat load of cap space and a desire to retain arguably the game's best center.
You don't understand. Cleveland did this on purpose so that some other team would give him an offer sheet and he would be forced to stay once they matched.
He wants out so badly he would have signed the franchise tender and said **** it.
The only way they can get him signed long term is with an offer sheet.
He is going nowhere.

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Cleveland has more money, how can they not match it?

Can they poison pill transition tag offer sheets? Isn't that what happened when what's his butt when from Seattle to the Vikings or whatnot, Hutchinson?
The last time they did that poison pill stuff the commish threaten both teams to never do it again and sent word to all the teams not to do it.
They can make it tough to make by loading it up in guarantees but nothing more.
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:08 PM   #1359
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Just remember that while the NFL has to give out 32 comp picks, they do not have to give out 32 picks for lost FAs. The NFL will have a cutoff point somewhere, and contracts below that value will not qualify as comp picks for the teams that lost them.
Yeah I know but based on last year every single comp pick was for net FA losses, infact some teams lost out like I've posted above based on the ranking system which is mostly made up via the aav of the initial contracts signed.
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Mary Kay Cabot ‏ @ MaryKayCabot 36s # browns center Alex Mack has agreed to general terms of a five-year deal w/ jaguars that would make him league's highest paid center.
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:17 PM   #1361
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"So, how would a club construct an offer sheet in this new collective bargaining agreement, which precludes a poison pill?

Consider this:

Put together a two-year offer sheet for Mack that continues to reward him with the shockingly high salary of $10 million in 2014, and then, something like a base salary of $1 million in 2015 with a $15 million roster bonus due on the third day of the 2015 league year. That should more than do it.
That means Jacksonville would basically be guaranteeing Mack $26 million over two years, which, as La Canfora writes, is bascially elite left tackle money, even if it's for a really good center like Mack. But why wouldn't Cleveland match?

"Well, for one, they would be over a barrel," La Canfora wrote. "They already know Mack is less than thrilled about being hit with the transition tag, and if they matched this sort of offer sheet, they very well could be paying a center $26 million for two years, only to watch him walk out the door. That's an average of $13 million a season at a position where, as I noted, $8 million per year is the current high (Panthers center Ryan Kalil). For a team that hasn't been out of the cellar of the AFC North in forever, that is hardly on the cusp of competing and that is unsettled at quarterback, that's a crazy amount of money to spend on a player who wants out."

And if the Browns don't match, they'll lose Mack, and because it's the transition tag and NOT the franchise tag, Cleveland wouldn't get any compensation.

I'm beginning to think the Browns might have made a mistake in transition-tagging Mack."


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"So, how would a club construct an offer sheet in this new collective bargaining agreement, which precludes a poison pill?

Consider this:

Put together a two-year offer sheet for Mack that continues to reward him with the shockingly high salary of $10 million in 2014, and then, something like a base salary of $1 million in 2015 with a $15 million roster bonus due on the third day of the 2015 league year. That should more than do it.
That means Jacksonville would basically be guaranteeing Mack $26 million over two years, which, as La Canfora writes, is bascially elite left tackle money, even if it's for a really good center like Mack. But why wouldn't Cleveland match?

"Well, for one, they would be over a barrel," La Canfora wrote. "They already know Mack is less than thrilled about being hit with the transition tag, and if they matched this sort of offer sheet, they very well could be paying a center $26 million for two years, only to watch him walk out the door. That's an average of $13 million a season at a position where, as I noted, $8 million per year is the current high (Panthers center Ryan Kalil). For a team that hasn't been out of the cellar of the AFC North in forever, that is hardly on the cusp of competing and that is unsettled at quarterback, that's a crazy amount of money to spend on a player who wants out."

And if the Browns don't match, they'll lose Mack, and because it's the transition tag and NOT the franchise tag, Cleveland wouldn't get any compensation.

I'm beginning to think the Browns might have made a mistake in transition-tagging Mack."


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Isn't there a strong possibility the Broncos will transition tag Von next year?
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:24 PM   #1363
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Isn't there a strong possibility the Broncos will transition tag Von next year?
There is a strong possibility that Denver picks up the option they have on him.
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Isn't there a strong possibility the Broncos will transition tag Von next year?
They have the option like already stated, but hell ****ing no if they didn't. You can't risk someone constructing a deal they can't match under a transition tag for a Top 5 overall defensive player.
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"So, how would a club construct an offer sheet in this new collective bargaining agreement, which precludes a poison pill?

Consider this:

Put together a two-year offer sheet for Mack that continues to reward him with the shockingly high salary of $10 million in 2014, and then, something like a base salary of $1 million in 2015 with a $15 million roster bonus due on the third day of the 2015 league year. That should more than do it.
That means Jacksonville would basically be guaranteeing Mack $26 million over two years, which, as La Canfora writes, is bascially elite left tackle money, even if it's for a really good center like Mack. But why wouldn't Cleveland match?

"Well, for one, they would be over a barrel," La Canfora wrote. "They already know Mack is less than thrilled about being hit with the transition tag, and if they matched this sort of offer sheet, they very well could be paying a center $26 million for two years, only to watch him walk out the door. That's an average of $13 million a season at a position where, as I noted, $8 million per year is the current high (Panthers center Ryan Kalil). For a team that hasn't been out of the cellar of the AFC North in forever, that is hardly on the cusp of competing and that is unsettled at quarterback, that's a crazy amount of money to spend on a player who wants out."

And if the Browns don't match, they'll lose Mack, and because it's the transition tag and NOT the franchise tag, Cleveland wouldn't get any compensation.

I'm beginning to think the Browns might have made a mistake in transition-tagging Mack."


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Not sure why they didnt use the F-Tag, only like 1.5 mil more or so.
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Not sure why they didnt use the F-Tag, only like 1.5 mil more or so.
No team would sign him under the franchise tag.
He would sign it for one year and then not allow the team to franchise him again before signing the deal officially and bolting the next year.

He won't sign in Cleveland long term. They needed another team to sign him for them.
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No team would sign him under the franchise tag.
He would sign it for one year and then not allow the team to franchise him again before signing the deal officially and bolting the next year.

He won't sign in Cleveland long term. They needed another team to sign him for them.
Even if that happened, better to get a comp-3 in 2016 rather than nothing if they dont match.
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No team would sign him under the franchise tag.
He would sign it for one year and then not allow the team to franchise him again before signing the deal officially and bolting the next year.

He won't sign in Cleveland long term. They needed another team to sign him for them.
Why even want a player that hates playing for your team. Do they think they will get 100% effort from this guy for five years?
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There is a strong possibility that Denver picks up the option they have on him.
Ah, right. Maybe it's the year after that they can place the transitional tag on him.
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Even if that happened, better to get a comp-3 in 2016 rather than nothing if they dont match.
The cap hit while large will only take place in 2015. The rest of it is a normal cap hit. The Browns can absorb the hit, essentially they are playing chess and calling Mack's bluff.

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Why even want a player that hates playing for your team. Do they think they will get 100% effort from this guy for five years?

Honestly. Who legitimately wants to play for Cleveland unless they are new coming in and getting paid?
That is a **** storm of a team and has been for years.
But you will never get better if you do not draft, develop and keep your talented players.
Mack is not a player they can easily lose and then replace.
With that said, for a guaranteed 26 mil over 2 years most guys will shut up and play.
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Schefter says the Browns will match.
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Jags sign Mack to a 5-year offer sheet.

Per Schefter, Mack badly wants to play the five-year contract with the Jaguars and doesn't want to return to Cleveland. Mack's agent and the Jaguars will structure the deal in a way that will make it as difficult as possible for the Browns to match it, even though Cleveland has a boat load of cap space and a desire to retain arguably the game's best center.
Jags rebuilding their line. They might be respectable next year. They are in the same boat as Cleveland though. Until they get a QB they will be a solid team that can't score points.
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Schefter says the Browns will match.
There was never any doubt. They did it on purpose.
They let the market dictate the value and forced him to re-sign with them long term.
Farmer played this well. Mack may not want to be there and he can opt out after 2 years, but they can still tag him for 2 years.
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