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Old 03-28-2014, 10:29 AM   #51
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This is the mental outlook of a Marxist, in a nutshell. The third side is "how can I parlay the fear I have created, in order so I can take control over you, and steal your money for myself."
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Even if his intentions are noble he says "steal your money for your own good" without realizing he's still going to end up using it towards his own ends.

I've never thought most socialists are bad people. They just don't understand that there will never be a class of people created that are capable of ruling others separate from the impulses of their own self interest.
Well greed ruins any form of political theory. Marxism isn't immune to it just like capitalism isn't
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Well greed ruins any form of political theory. Marxism isn't immune to it just like capitalism isn't
True. Which is why I prefer a system heavy on the individual and light on the philosopher kings or masters.

It's not perfect. Far from it. But collectively we're far more intelligent than any one or small number of us can be. Plus power divided is power controlled, and all that.
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Even if his intentions are noble he says "steal your money for your own good" without realizing he's still going to end up using it towards his own ends.

I've never thought most socialists are bad people. They just don't understand that there will never be a class of people created that are capable of ruling others separate from the impulses of their own self interest.
His intentions are not noble.

He deliberately created this thread in order to try to convince people to buy into what he thinks is good (a so-called "green" industry subsidized by taxpayers), and tries to steer you away from what he considers bad (utilities use primarily coal).

Then he tries to convince you that electric cars are "new" technology, when in fact the technology is a old as the car itself.

And no, Socialists are not good people. They will do anything they can to take your individual freedom and rights from you, if it means they can profit. They love nothing more than tyranny and oppression, and hate your freedom with the very fabric of their soul.
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His intentions are not noble.

He deliberately created this thread in order to try to convince people to buy into what he thinks is good (a so-called "green" industry subsidized by taxpayers), and tries to steer you away from what he considers bad (utilities use primarily coal).

Then he tries to convince you that electric cars are "new" technology, when in fact the technology is a old as the car itself.

And no, Socialists are not good people. They will do anything they can to take your individual freedom and rights from you, if it means they can profit. They love nothing more than tyranny and oppression, and hate your freedom with the very fabric of their soul.
I identify as a democratic socialist and have interest in none of those things. Denmark, Sweden, Norway. Bastions of tyranny and oppression. They hatez their freeeedommzzzzz.


Youre a fool.
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There are of course, the idealist Communists and Socialists, who truly believe that humans can live like ants or bees. Where all can live in harmony, working as hard as they can, to serve the queen.

Unfortunately, they don't understand human nature, and just how important individual rights are toward human thought, invention, and prosperity.
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His intentions are not noble.

He deliberately created this thread in order to try to convince people to buy into what he thinks is good (a so-called "green" industry subsidized by taxpayers), and tries to steer you away from what he considers bad (utilities use primarily coal).

Then he tries to convince you that electric cars are "new" technology, when in fact the technology is a old as the car itself.

And no, Socialists are not good people. They will do anything they can to take your individual freedom and rights from you, if it means they can profit. They love nothing more than tyranny and oppression, and hate your freedom with the very fabric of their soul.
I'll disagree in that I don't think most man-on-the-street socialist types fancy themselves as part of some potential future ruling class. They just have a world view that makes them think (in general) that a central plan will work out better than the self-organizing chaos that is the free market.

And in some respect, they're right. In that if there were a GOOD central plan, it probably would work better. Unfortunately, no man or small subset of men is capable of creating that plan. In order to have a truly good plan, you'd have to bring in so many people that the planning operation itself would start to resemble the free market.
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There are of course, the idealist Communists and Socialists, who truly believe that humans can live like ants or bees. Where all can live in harmony, working as hard as they can, to serve the queen.

Unfortunately, they don't understand human nature, and just how important individual rights are toward human thought, invention, and prosperity.
Your belittling over something you don't understand is really annoying.
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I identify as a democratic socialist and have interest in none of those things. Denmark, Sweden, Norway. Bastions of tyranny and oppression. They hatez their freeeedommzzzzz.


Youre a fool.
Again, you're talking about countries with homogenous populations the size of Houston TX, that are ALL in the top 10 most debtor nations in the entire world. And they got they way by going in debt to support their non-sustainable social welfare system.
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When our government is too corrupt, inept and stupid to run programs such as Medicare, welfare, etc how would they do with full blown socialism? Unless you like living how Cubans do, it hasn't been too successful long term over the years. I prefer my freedom to control my life with personal responsibility and being self accountable.
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Again, you're talking about countries with homogenous populations the size of Houston TX, that are ALL in the top 10 most debtor nations in the entire world. And they got they way by going in debt to support their non-sustainable social welfare system.
Also three countries that consistently top the quality of life surveys. I used them as an example to refute your "tyranny loving" rant. Have you ever been to these nordic countries? They are virtually pristine and not full of people looking to take advantage of one another. Thats America.

Also, I don't even know what you say is true, I'm not getting economic advice from Pricejj, nor do I pretend to be an economist myself, let alone one well versed in the Skandi markets, but last time I checked, no system is perfect.
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When our government is too corrupt, inept and stupid to run programs such as Medicare, welfare, etc how would they do with full blown socialism? Unless you like living how Cubans do, it hasn't been too successful long term over the years. I prefer my freedom to control my life with personal responsibility and being self accountable.
I dont think anyone is advocating America become fully socialist.

I'll also argue there's no good way to govern 300+ million people. A majority will always be ****ed over. Thats just reality of life, unfortunately.
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I'll disagree in that I don't think most man-on-the-street socialist types fancy themselves as part of some potential future ruling class. They just have a world view that makes them think (in general) that a central plan will work out better than the self-organizing chaos that is the free market.
You forget human nature, and the primary reason Communism/Socialism doesn't work. The average Socialist on the street envisions themselves as a taker, which in effect makes them a ruler, a slave driver of their fellow citizens.

Why work hard if you can enjoy a luxurious lifestyle without working hard? Most people won't. They will let others think, they will let others do the work. This becomes widespread economic inefficiency, debt, inflation, widening income gaps, a massive class of people where assets are out of reach, and eventually collapse.
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Again, you're talking about countries with homogenous populations the size of Houston TX, that are ALL in the top 10 most debtor nations in the entire world. And they got they way by going in debt to support their non-sustainable social welfare system.
Norway is the second wealthiest nation in the world.
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You forget human nature, and the primary reason Communism/Socialism doesn't work. The average Socialist on the street envisions themselves as a taker, which in effect makes them a ruler, a slave driver.

Why work hard if you can enjoy a luxurious lifestyle without working hard? Most people won't. They will let others think, they will let others do the work. This becomes widespread economic inefficiency, debt, inflation, widening income gaps, a massive class of people where assets are out of reach, and eventually collapse.
...you really don't understand what drives someone who believes in democratic socialism. Socialists don't think on the individual level.
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Norway is the second wealthiest nation in the world.
Thats mostly due to geographic fortune.

But pricejj doesnt know what the **** he's talking about anyway.
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Thats mostly due to geographic fortune.

But pricejj doesnt know what the **** he's talking about anyway.
It also helps that they are one of the least corrupt nations in the world.
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Well greed ruins any form of political theory. Marxism isn't immune to it just like capitalism isn't
...The difference is that in Marxism, it's a huge flaw.

In capitalism, it's accepted and used as the whole ****ing engine that drives it.
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Again, you're talking about countries with homogenous populations the size of Houston TX, that are ALL in the top 10 most debtor nations in the entire world. And they got they way by going in debt to support their non-sustainable social welfare system.
NO - WRONG

The US is #10 in the top 10 most debtor nations, but the three countries you're referring to are all in the bottom of that list. Japan is #2, with Greece at #1 and Prtugal, Italy, Ireland rounding out the remainder of Europe on that list. Other than Japan and the US, almost all of the other countries have been historically poor during the 20th and 21st century.
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...The difference is that in Marxism, it's a huge flaw.

In capitalism, it's accepted and used as the whole ****ing engine that drives it.
Oh, I agree. I completely identify with socialism but also would never recommend it for America or any large society. Obviously, America has some socialist tendencies, and I would like to see more influence in that regard, but I also realize the cats already out of the bag on many institutions I'd love to see improved (healthcare, for example)
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It also helps that they are one of the least corrupt nations in the world.
that too. If it wasn't so dang cold, i wouldnt mind living there Way expensive though
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This is the mental outlook of a Marxist, in a nutshell. The third side is "how can I parlay the fear I have created, in order so I can take control over you, and steal your money for myself."
You Scientologists are all ****ed up in da noggin.
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My favorite part of capitalism is when the financial sector writes its own regulatory regime, bankrupts the country, steals billions in taxpayer dollars to pay themselves bonuses, and then allows the politicians to line up and kiss the oligarchs' rings in order to run for office. Yay democracy!
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Yeah I don't think most Socialists are evil. But I think they are wrong and oblivious to how horrid some of their ideas are. They basically want to force anyone who doesn't think the way they do out of existence. I believe a socialist wet dream is the Borg from Star Trek, but with a twist where each Borg is a transgender bisexual minority who likes all musics and cultures of the world and judges none of them - and none of the Borg actually do anything. They just plug into the collective and listen to NPR, Nome Chomsky and Janeane Garafalo on a loop.
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