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Old 02-04-2014, 03:52 PM   #176
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So just to be clear, how do you see next season playing out?
Who the **** knows? But we have a damn good chance at being in the thick of it. And with your plan, there's a much better chance at years of **** than a Seattle rise to the top.

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Old 02-04-2014, 03:53 PM   #177
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If you don't want to hear an opposing viewpoint, you probably shouldn't put out your own, especially when it isn't very well thought out.
I don't have a problem with disagreement. It's when it gets personal that it isn't right. Trust me I use to get very personal on the Mane. Ask Popps he'll tell you, but I haven't done it for 2 years and won't start now. I just don't have room in my life for personal battles. For some on this site that's all they do day after day troll and attack. Go for it, not my thing anymore.
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Old 02-04-2014, 03:53 PM   #178
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Every playoffs he's going to have at least one ****ty game sooner or later because the conditions he needs to be great just can't be had in every playoff game. It is what it is. Just because I convinced myself to believe because it feels better doesn't mean that after the fact the truth can not be ascertained. If we can build a team that can win against good teams with Manning struggling we might be able to win a Super Bowl. It's really hard for me to see how that is going to happen in one or two more seasons with how restricted we are going to be cap-wise.
Yep, as I suspected the minute you wrote your dumb post after the game, you'll gladly fall on this dumb sword instead of saying, "ok, maybe i overreacted a bit"
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Every playoffs he's going to have at least one ****ty game sooner or later because the conditions he needs to be great just can't be had in every playoff game. It is what it is. Just because I convinced myself to believe because it feels better doesn't mean that after the fact the truth can not be ascertained. If we can build a team that can win against good teams with Manning struggling we might be able to win a Super Bowl. It's really hard for me to see how that is going to happen in one or two more seasons with how restricted we are going to be cap-wise.
I could draw a similar pattern for our OL. Every year for the last 3 (even predating Manning) they've taken the opportunity to **** the bed at least once in the playoffs. Oh, and the secondary.

I guess we'd be better off just disbanding the whole franchise and starting over. Because, uh, we lost the Super Bowl.
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Old 02-04-2014, 03:54 PM   #180
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No, you were delusional to think the Broncos were going to blow out Seattle. The public thought it was an even match-up. You ride the emotional highs and lows of delusion. Now the public thinks the Broncos are favorites to go back, but you think one bad game defines how a team will play next season.
I predicted a 10 point win for the Broncos. That isn't a blowout.

Also I can see them possibly going back, but with Fox as our head coach and Manning being a giant choker in big games I don't really see them winning. In fact, I see them getting blown out again.
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Old 02-04-2014, 03:54 PM   #181
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This is why I wish he would just retire.
TBH I dont even know if that would make any difference. Not 100% sure how guaranteed money works if a player retires, especially if it's base salary. If a player retires and there's signing bonus proration remaining it is dead caproom. So unless it's only guaranteed if he's on the roster for Wk1 or something like that.
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Old 02-04-2014, 03:54 PM   #182
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That guy also choked in the biggest game of his life for the upteenth time.
What games were considered the biggest? ACC championship games or just SB games? Seems he is far from "umpteenth" time. He just won 2 playoff games labeled a choker. Btw, how old are you and how long have you been a broncos fan?
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TBH I dont even know if that would make any difference. Not 100% sure how guaranteed money works if a player retires, especially if it's base salary. If a player retires and there's signing bonus proration remaining it is dead caproom. So unless it's only guaranteed if he's on the roster for Wk1 or something like that.
I think it works like a series of one-year contracts. So if he retires, that's it.
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So just to be clear, how do you see next season playing out?
We're going to be forced to make changes. Not blow up the team type of changes, but changes than most would have figured a week ago. For whatever reason this team is not as proactive as we'd all like it to be. They need a good ass kicking or two before they realize their ***** caught in the door.

Love that we play the NFC West. They will either make us or break us. Either way we won't be a soft team that makes the playoffs. There will be no skating next season.

We make the playoffs next year but no 1st round bye. it will be a tougher team that will have to take a tougher road.

It cannot be overstated enough about our injuries. The Broncos were devastated this year with injuries. I'm still amazing they pulled it together enough to make the post season IMO. What other team could have overcome the amount of injuries to key players and still do what Denver did?
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Yep, as I suspected the minute you wrote your dumb post after the game, you'll gladly fall on this dumb sword instead of saying, "ok, maybe i overreacted a bit"
My only overreaction was saying I'd rather be 2-14 or a Browns fan. Otherwise nothing has changed. You can keep calling my take dumb if it makes you feel better, but I suspect a year from now we will be discussing Fox and Manning all over again, and not in a good way.
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My only overreaction was saying I'd rather be 2-14 or a Browns fan. Otherwise nothing has changed. You can keep calling my take dumb if it makes you feel better, but I suspect a year from now we will be discussing Fox and Manning all over again, and not in a good way.
I'd rather discuss that than how a crappy 5-11 team is going no where fast. Its an easy argument you have. If the Broncos dont win the super bowl, you'll say "I told you so." Wonderful.
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We're going to be forced to make changes. Not blow up the team type of changes, but changes than most would have figured a week ago. For whatever reason this team is not as proactive as we'd all like it to be. They need a good ass kicking or two before they realize their ***** caught in the door.

Love that we play the NFC West. They will either make us or break us. Either way we won't be a soft team that makes the playoffs. There will be no skating next season.

We make the playoffs next year but no 1st round bye. it will be a tougher team that will have to take a tougher road.

It cannot be overstated enough about our injuries. The Broncos were devastated this year with injuries. I'm still amazing they pulled it together enough to make the post season IMO. What other team could have overcome the amount of injuries to key players and still do what Denver did?
Words can't begin to express how sick I am of hearing about injuries. Our entire team failed to show up for the Super Bowl. Having more players healthy wouldn't have changed that.
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I'd rather discuss that than how a crappy 5-11 team is going no where fast. Its an easy argument you have. If the Broncos dont win the super bowl, you'll say "I told you so." Wonderful.
Oh you don't get it. They won't just not win the Super Bowl. That's not what this is about. They will either lose to a clearly inferior team in the playoffs because they are mentally weak and Manning is a playoff choker, or they will get blown out in the Super Bowl because they are mentally weak and Manning is a playoff choker.
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I think it works like a series of one-year contracts. So if he retires, that's it.
Problem is retirement is his prerogative, not the team's.
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Words can't begin to express how sick I am of hearing about injuries. Our entire team failed to show up for the Super Bowl. Having more players healthy wouldn't have changed that.
Sure, you can' blame injuries but come on...

7 of 22 projected starters!!!!!!! That's 1/3 of the frigging team.
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Old 02-04-2014, 04:05 PM   #191
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This is just straight forward retarded reasoning.
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Manning has won a Superbowl.

Playoff choker would be someone like Marino, who never won a Superbowl.

Hell, Favre only won 1. Brady hasn't won one since they couldn't record the other team.

There are lots of QB's that only win 1. This speaks to how difficult it is to win a Superbowl.
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This place is going to be unbearable for at least a year. If the same team comes back, the mane won't even be happy if they go 16-0. They won't be happy if they win the divisional and afc championship. We will hear people say "yeah, but" with every win.

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haha so true! It's going to be an entertaining year on this site.
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I could draw a similar pattern for our OL. Every year for the last 3 (even predating Manning) they've taken the opportunity to **** the bed at least once in the playoffs. Oh, and the secondary.

I guess we'd be better off just disbanding the whole franchise and starting over. Because, uh, we lost the Super Bowl.
I actually think we need to start weeding out the other chokers on the team as well, especially the coaches. That hasn't gone over well either.
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Oh you don't get it. They won't just not win the Super Bowl. That's not what this is about. They will either lose to a clearly inferior team in the playoffs because they are mentally weak and Manning is a playoff choker, or they will get blown out in the Super Bowl because they are mentally weak and Manning is a playoff choker.
You can't ignore his two playoff victories. Denver is 2-2 with the two losses against the SB Champions.
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Oh you don't get it. They won't just not win the Super Bowl. That's not what this is about. They will either lose to a clearly inferior team in the playoffs because they are mentally weak and Manning is a playoff choker, or they will get blown out in the Super Bowl because they are mentally weak and Manning is a playoff choker.
Uh, we're gonna have to agree to disagree.
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You can't ignore his two playoff victories. Denver is 2-2 with the two losses against the SB Champions.
Why not? You are ignoring his decade and a half of choking in the playoffs. And really, even if Manning isn't a playoff choker our team is still mentally weak.
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Uh, we're gonna have to agree to disagree.
I'm cool with that.
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Oh you don't get it. They won't just not win the Super Bowl. That's not what this is about. They will either lose to a clearly inferior team in the playoffs because they are mentally weak and Manning is a playoff choker, or they will get blown out in the Super Bowl because they are mentally weak and Manning is a playoff choker.
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What games were considered the biggest? ACC championship games or just SB games? Seems he is far from "umpteenth" time. He just won 2 playoff games labeled a choker. Btw, how old are you and how long have you been a broncos fan?
see what he posts when Peyton does retire....cause you are right in what you are saying BUT sometimes people gotta learn the hardway...
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