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Old 02-04-2014, 02:12 PM   #151
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The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, but why should that stop us right?
The Broncos are the AFC favorites to be back in the Super Bowl next year with Manning. I'm expecting this result. He can do it again.

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Old 02-04-2014, 02:12 PM   #152
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This thread belongs in the Butt.

Calling for a HOF QB to retire because the whole team had a catastrophic meltdown after a regular season of unprecedented production.

So, who would you rather have than PFM? Kolb? Vick?
Try reading what I wrote instead of just the title.
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:16 PM   #153
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Its absurd. We made the friggin super bowl. He wants to dump the league MVP and plunge the team into certain mediocrity because he thinks we need to "rebuild." Which 1) is absurd because no one rebuilds in the NFL anymore and 2) the chances of winning with Manning now are far greater than getting incredibly lucky in the draft/FA and winning in the next 3-5 years.
The Seahawks rebuilt. The team we faced Sunday was the product of four years of great drafting. Before that they were as mediocre as they come.
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:16 PM   #154
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Here's how it breaks down for those of you who think those of us who want Manning to retire are crazy:

1) We think Manning is a choke artist and will do the same exact thing next year, you apparently don't.

2) We do not think that there is any chance we win a Super Bowl after this massacre, you apparently do.

3) We want to get this chapter in Bronco history over with so we can start rebuilding right away, you apparently want to drag it out and are hoping that this fatally flawed team can be fixed and win it all somehow before Manning's arm completely dies.

In other words we simply have completely different takes on things right now. I don't think either of us is crazy or irrational. We just don't agree on the current state of the Broncos, at all.
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:16 PM   #155
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The Broncos are the AFC favorites to be back in the Super Bowl next year with Manning. I'm expecting this result. He can do it again.

You are delusional. It's kind of sad really.
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:19 PM   #156
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My God Agamemnon is somehow more of an insufferable douche than before. After the melt downs the other day, probably the best ignore list addition I have made.

That list sadly keeps growing.
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:20 PM   #157
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Not remotely the same. The loss to the Ravens last year is more analogous. If we had been blown out by the Green Bay Packers 43-8 the following year, yeah I'd say there was something fundamentally wrong. But that didn't happen did it?
You said that how can we expect different results by doing the same thing.

Elway had much less success as a QB at that point in his career than Manning has now. Had the Broncos followed your reasoning, they would have blown up the team, as Elway kept "failing" in the playoffs. XXII & XXIII would have never happened.
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:21 PM   #158
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I agree with the thread.

Manning should have had the team fired up and ready to play. But the coaches also share in this.

All should go. Clean house.
You've admitted to not being a Broncos fan. What are you even doing here?
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Exactly. MHM is a Broncos fan but he makes us all look retarded when he blogs to the world. Luckily, it reaches maybe double digits. He posts on the Mane? It reaches thousands and thousands of views. Then it gets cut n pasted or linked to places like Chief Planet where they think we all agree with MHM's takes. Getting rid of Manning or saying Luck is hot garbage is two prime examples. Best to be quiet and we would never know how Mile High Mojoe thinks.
You continue to dog me, bait me, call me names. Any point you try to get across as far as I'm concerned is lost. I have an opinion that doesn't match yours, I know you're not a functional retard, an idiot or a non Broncos Fan. It just seems to me the Fan should be able to get on a discussion board and not be attacked as some kind of idiot because he doesn't agree with the conventional view point. I've vowed to act like an adult when I get on here and discuss the Broncos and not act like a not 9 year old. For 2 years now I've stayed away from making personal attacks and chose to take the high road. If you want to have a debate about the Broncos with me I'm happy to have one, getting into the name calling and pissing matches won't be happening on my end anymore. Understand?
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You continue to dog me, bait me, call me names. Any point you try to get across as far as I'm concerned is lost. I have an opinion that doesn't match yours, I know you're not a functional retard, an idiot or a non Broncos Fan. It just seems to me the Fan should be able to get on a discussion board and not be attacked as some kind of idiot because he doesn't agree with the conventional view point. I've vowed to act like an adult when I get on here and discuss the Broncos and not act like a not 9 year old. For 2 years now I've stayed away from making personal attacks and chose to take the high road. If you want to have a debate about the Broncos with me I'm happy to have one, getting into the name calling and pissing matches won't be happening on my end anymore. Understand?
If you don't want to hear an opposing viewpoint, you probably shouldn't put out your own, especially when it isn't very well thought out.
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The Seahawks rebuilt. The team we faced Sunday was the product of four years of great drafting. Before that they were as mediocre as they come.
And i'll give you a long list of teams that have tried rebuilding only to be stuck in mediocrity forever.

Peyton is one of the best. And the only reason youve turned on him is ONE ****ty game. Don't gimme this BS that you thought this way after the AFC championship. Yes, it was bad. The entire team was bad. Yes, Seattle played out of their minds. But I'm not throwing our team into the unknown and certain **** because he played one crappy game. Sorry, you'll never convince 95 percent of the people otherwise.
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You are delusional. It's kind of sad really.
You're the delusional one.

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You're the delusional one.

So just to be clear, how do you see next season playing out?
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I see next year being a helluva lot better with Manning than without him
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There maybe something that a lot of the Manning haters missed when Peyton passed his medical last March. It guaranteed last year's salary 2013, and this upcoming year's 2014, so unless there's some kind of get-out via self imposed retirement we cannot use his money for anything, it will be dead caproom, infact it would be more considering we pushed money back last year. So sorry to rain on the rebuilding ****ers parade, yeah I know most of them joined this site in the last 2 years and dont even know who Tebow was, or Orton or Cutler or even Griese.
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"**** the cap we need to roll with a unproven rook next year Manning sucks"

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And i'll give you a long list of teams that have tried rebuilding only to be stuck in mediocrity forever.

Peyton is one of the best. And the only reason youve turned on him is ONE ****ty game. Don't gimme this BS that you thought this way after the AFC championship. Yes, it was bad. The entire team was bad. Yes, Seattle played out of their minds. But I'm not throwing our team into the unknown and certain **** because he played one crappy game. Sorry, you'll never convince 95 percent of the people otherwise.
Every playoffs he's going to have at least one ****ty game sooner or later because the conditions he needs to be great just can't be had in every playoff game. It is what it is. Just because I convinced myself to believe because it feels better doesn't mean that after the fact the truth can not be ascertained. If we can build a team that can win against good teams with Manning struggling we might be able to win a Super Bowl. It's really hard for me to see how that is going to happen in one or two more seasons with how restricted we are going to be cap-wise.
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There maybe something that a lot of the Manning haters missed when Peyton passed his medical last March. It guaranteed last year's salary 2013, and this upcoming year's 2014, so unless there's some kind of get-out via self imposed retirement we cannot use his money for anything, it will be dead caproom, infact it would be more considering we pushed money back last year. So sorry to rain on the rebuilding ****ers parade, yeah I know most of them joined this site in the last 2 years and dont even know who Tebow was, or Orton or Cutler or even Griese.
This is why I wish he would just retire.
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:51 PM   #169
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You are delusional. It's kind of sad really.
No, you were delusional to think the Broncos were going to blow out Seattle. The public thought it was an even match-up. You ride the emotional highs and lows of delusion. Now the public thinks the Broncos are favorites to go back, but you think one bad game defines how a team will play next season.
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So just to be clear, how do you see next season playing out?
Who the **** knows? But we have a damn good chance at being in the thick of it. And with your plan, there's a much better chance at years of **** than a Seattle rise to the top.

Ask the ...

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about their awesome history of rebuilding. Hell, even asked the 99-2012 Broncos how easy it is!
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If you don't want to hear an opposing viewpoint, you probably shouldn't put out your own, especially when it isn't very well thought out.
I don't have a problem with disagreement. It's when it gets personal that it isn't right. Trust me I use to get very personal on the Mane. Ask Popps he'll tell you, but I haven't done it for 2 years and won't start now. I just don't have room in my life for personal battles. For some on this site that's all they do day after day troll and attack. Go for it, not my thing anymore.
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Every playoffs he's going to have at least one ****ty game sooner or later because the conditions he needs to be great just can't be had in every playoff game. It is what it is. Just because I convinced myself to believe because it feels better doesn't mean that after the fact the truth can not be ascertained. If we can build a team that can win against good teams with Manning struggling we might be able to win a Super Bowl. It's really hard for me to see how that is going to happen in one or two more seasons with how restricted we are going to be cap-wise.
Yep, as I suspected the minute you wrote your dumb post after the game, you'll gladly fall on this dumb sword instead of saying, "ok, maybe i overreacted a bit"
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Every playoffs he's going to have at least one ****ty game sooner or later because the conditions he needs to be great just can't be had in every playoff game. It is what it is. Just because I convinced myself to believe because it feels better doesn't mean that after the fact the truth can not be ascertained. If we can build a team that can win against good teams with Manning struggling we might be able to win a Super Bowl. It's really hard for me to see how that is going to happen in one or two more seasons with how restricted we are going to be cap-wise.
I could draw a similar pattern for our OL. Every year for the last 3 (even predating Manning) they've taken the opportunity to **** the bed at least once in the playoffs. Oh, and the secondary.

I guess we'd be better off just disbanding the whole franchise and starting over. Because, uh, we lost the Super Bowl.
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No, you were delusional to think the Broncos were going to blow out Seattle. The public thought it was an even match-up. You ride the emotional highs and lows of delusion. Now the public thinks the Broncos are favorites to go back, but you think one bad game defines how a team will play next season.
I predicted a 10 point win for the Broncos. That isn't a blowout.

Also I can see them possibly going back, but with Fox as our head coach and Manning being a giant choker in big games I don't really see them winning. In fact, I see them getting blown out again.
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This is why I wish he would just retire.
TBH I dont even know if that would make any difference. Not 100% sure how guaranteed money works if a player retires, especially if it's base salary. If a player retires and there's signing bonus proration remaining it is dead caproom. So unless it's only guaranteed if he's on the roster for Wk1 or something like that.
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