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Old 02-04-2014, 12:08 PM   #126
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In year two of a three year project, we made it to the Superbowl. Why not see what happens in year three of that project?
Absolutely. C'mon people.
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Old 02-04-2014, 12:19 PM   #127
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Manning is a choke artist. I don't see how anybody could argue against that. His level of play in the postseason drops off a ****ing cliff compared to his usual, steamroller self that you see during the regular season. That said, he's easily Denver's best shot for next year. I believe his arm strength is fading and the pressure of his 'legacy' seriously might be messing with his head, but Osweiler or whoever else is not going to get the job done next year.

Also, the AFC is slimpickings right now. The top two teams were Tom Brady with a bunch of nobodies, and Denver who spent most of the season crushing tomato cans. Even a fading Manning could easily top the AFC. But there's a litany of very similar, tough defense-teams in the NFC that whoever goes against them better be ready to game.
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Old 02-04-2014, 12:23 PM   #128
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I agree with the thread.

Manning should have had the team fired up and ready to play. But the coaches also share in this.

All should go. Clean house.
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Old 02-04-2014, 12:37 PM   #129
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I agree with the thread.

Manning should have had the team fired up and ready to play. But the coaches also share in this.

All should go. Clean house.
You keep saying this in every possible thread. I have you on Retard. Please help us understand your dribble.

Name all positions and who you want to replace them with? Don't forget cap space too!

I doubt Mr. Front Office Guy won't be responding with anything rational.
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Old 02-04-2014, 12:42 PM   #130
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Manning is a choke artist. I don't see how anybody could argue against that. His level of play in the postseason drops off a ****ing cliff compared to his usual, steamroller self that you see during the regular season. That said, he's easily Denver's best shot for next year. I believe his arm strength is fading and the pressure of his 'legacy' seriously might be messing with his head, but Osweiler or whoever else is not going to get the job done next year.

Also, the AFC is slimpickings right now. The top two teams were Tom Brady with a bunch of nobodies, and Denver who spent most of the season crushing tomato cans. Even a fading Manning could easily top the AFC. But there's a litany of very similar, tough defense-teams in the NFC that whoever goes against them better be ready to game.
Manning was stellar in both prior games. The simplest difference to see was the OL being fundamentally pwned in that last game.

Manning obviously needs to be better prepared for pressure when it comes, instead of committing mindbending, game-breaking turnovers. But I think it's tough to make the Manning psyche arguments anymore with how he played on two very large stages leading up to this one.
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Here's how it breaks down for those of you who think those of us who want Manning to retire are crazy:

1) We think Manning is a choke artist and will do the same exact thing next year, you apparently don't.

2) We do not think that there is any chance we win a Super Bowl after this massacre, you apparently do.

3) We want to get this chapter in Bronco history over with so we can start rebuilding right away, you apparently want to drag it out and are hoping that this fatally flawed team can be fixed and win it all somehow before Manning's arm completely dies.

In other words we simply have completely different takes on things right now. I don't think either of us is crazy or irrational. We just don't agree on the current state of the Broncos, at all.
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Old 02-04-2014, 12:48 PM   #132
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Manning was stellar in both prior games. The simplest difference to see was the OL being fundamentally pwned in that last game.

Manning obviously needs to be better prepared for pressure when it comes, instead of committing mindbending, game-breaking turnovers. But I think it's tough to make the Manning psyche arguments anymore with how he played on two very large stages leading up to this one.
Manning just doesn't handle pressure well at all. He developed a very quick release to avoid the issue most of the time, but he seems to completely fold when he actually starts getting hit. It's a fatal flaw in playoff football unfortunately.
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Old 02-04-2014, 12:59 PM   #133
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Manning just doesn't handle pressure well at all. He developed a very quick release to avoid the issue most of the time, but he seems to completely fold when he actually starts getting hit. It's a fatal flaw in playoff football unfortunately.
I think part of this is coaching ultimately. We have known about this since we signed him so why are they not practicing it at game speed?

Line up someone on the blindside, have our OL intentionally whiff (maybe just exclude a lineman) and have someone tee off on DT and Decker?
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Old 02-04-2014, 01:43 PM   #134
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Here's how it breaks down for those of you who think those of us who want Manning to retire are crazy:

1) We think Manning is a choke artist and will do the same exact thing next year, you apparently don't.

2) We do not think that there is any chance we win a Super Bowl after this massacre, you apparently do.

3) We want to get this chapter in Bronco history over with so we can start rebuilding right away, you apparently want to drag it out and are hoping that this fatally flawed team can be fixed and win it all somehow before Manning's arm completely dies.

In other words we simply have completely different takes on things right now. I don't think either of us is crazy or irrational. We just don't agree on the current state of the Broncos, at all.
It was a discouraging loss for sure. But let me lay it out a different way.

If you had to lay money on who was more likely to win an NFL championship in the next 5 years, would you bet on Peyton Manning or Brock Osweiler?

In my mind, there's probably a 75% chance we'll find out that Brock's not even an NFL-caliber starter. Not because of anything he's done. That's just my perception of the averages involved with mid-round draft QB talent.

So yes, it'll take some good luck for PFM to win one from here on out.

But setting PFM aside for a guy we're not even sure can win games in the NFL in the first place? Might as well start buying lotto tickets.
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It was a discouraging loss for sure. But let me lay it out a different way.

If you had to lay money on who was more likely to win an NFL championship in the next 5 years, would you bet on Peyton Manning or Brock Osweiler?

In my mind, there's probably a 75% chance we'll find out that Brock's not even an NFL-caliber starter. Not because of anything he's done. That's just my perception of the averages involved with mid-round draft QB talent.

So yes, it'll take some good luck for PFM to win one from here on out.

But setting PFM aside for a guy we're not even sure can win games in the NFL in the first place? Might as well start buying lotto tickets.
Brock Osweiler? Part of the rebuilding I'm referring to is replacing that guy asap.
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Old 02-04-2014, 01:50 PM   #137
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So let me get this straight: we need to replace the guy that just threw for 5,000 yards and 50 td's with someone we not even sure about?

Holy schnikees, it's getting a little weird up in here..
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So let me get this straight: we need to replace the guy that just threw for 5,000 yards and 50 td's with someone we not even sure about?

Holy schnikees, it's getting a little weird up in here..
That guy also choked in the biggest game of his life for the upteenth time.
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Colts should release or trade Luck. He's been there 2 years and has a losing playoff record. Wilson is obviously the bestest cuz he won in year 2. /MHM
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Brock Osweiler? Part of the rebuilding I'm referring to is replacing that guy asap.
Even if that's the case, who do you see in the draft @ 31 or later that's ready to lead the 2014 Broncos to anything more than a late-season-AFCW-cellarmaster matchup with Oakland?

Looking at our contracts, 2015 would be the most logical blow-it-up-year anyway. Absolutely have to give this thing at least one more go.
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Here's how it breaks down for those of you who think those of us who want Manning to retire are crazy:

1) We think Manning is a choke artist and will do the same exact thing next year, you apparently don't.

2) We do not think that there is any chance we win a Super Bowl after this massacre, you apparently do.

3) We want to get this chapter in Bronco history over with so we can start rebuilding right away, you apparently want to drag it out and are hoping that this fatally flawed team can be fixed and win it all somehow before Manning's arm completely dies.

In other words we simply have completely different takes on things right now. I don't think either of us is crazy or irrational. We just don't agree on the current state of the Broncos, at all.

And who in the hell is supposed to replace him so we can win a Superbowl?
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Agamemnon reminds me of Randy Quaid in Major League 2: He decides to take his stand against the team when he feels it wronged him. Will double down on it to get attention, no matter how dumb his hypothesis is (and, by the way, its really dumb) Will probably spend the entire season telling us how Manning sucks despite success.
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Even if that's the case, who do you see in the draft @ 31 or later that's ready to lead the 2014 Broncos to anything more than a late-season-AFCW-cellarmaster matchup with Oakland?

Looking at our contracts, 2015 would be the most logical blow-it-up-year anyway. Absolutely have to give this thing at least one more go.
Waste of a year that could be spent rebuilding this team towards more balance on offense and greater physicality on defense, but I don't doubt we will give it one more shot. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, but why should that stop us right?

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And who in the hell is supposed to replace him so we can win a Superbowl?
Its absurd. We made the friggin super bowl. He wants to dump the league MVP and plunge the team into certain mediocrity because he thinks we need to "rebuild." Which 1) is absurd because no one rebuilds in the NFL anymore and 2) the chances of winning with Manning now are far greater than getting incredibly lucky in the draft/FA and winning in the next 3-5 years.
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Waste of a year that could be spent rebuilding this team towards more balance on offense and greater physicality on defense, but I don't doubt we will give it one more shot. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, but why should that stop us right?

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Yeah, Broncos should have totally gotten rid of Elway, especially after losing to that expansion team Jags in the playoffs.

I mean, he kept losing in the Superbowl, losing in the playoffs, it would be insane to think that he could actually win a Superbowl!
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I know one thing Brock is not the answer at qb.
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Waste of a year that could be spent rebuilding this team towards more balance on offense and greater physicality on defense, but I don't doubt we will give it one more shot. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, but why should that stop us right?

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Agamemnon reminds me of Randy Quaid in Major League 2: He decides to take his stand against the team when he feels it wronged him. Will double down on it to get attention, no matter how dumb his hypothesis is (and, by the way, its really dumb) Will probably spend the entire season telling us how Manning sucks despite success.
I've never said Manning sucks. You don't actually seem to understand my hypothesis that you think is "really dumb", so let me break it down for you:

1) Manning is the greatest passer ever if he is not under pressure and his receivers are able to get open on time.

2) This works against most teams, especially in the regular season.

3) It tends to fall apart sooner or later in the playoffs because great defenses **** up the conditions required for him to be great as outlined in point 1.

4) With the way our team is currently built we are entirely reliant on Manning to carry us to the promised land. We can not and will not win a single playoff game with Manning having an off day. This is a problem because of point 3.

5) The time needed to address the issues of point 4 is too long relative to how much time Manning has left, and without him we really need to build an entirely different team from the ground up. Also Manning's cap number is a great hindrance to actually improving the team.

6) Therefore we should just move on.
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Yeah, Broncos should have totally gotten rid of Elway, especially after losing to that expansion team Jags in the playoffs.

I mean, he kept losing in the Superbowl, losing in the playoffs, it would be insane to think that he could actually win a Superbowl!
Not remotely the same. The loss to the Ravens last year is more analogous. If we had been blown out by the Green Bay Packers 43-8 the following year, yeah I'd say there was something fundamentally wrong. But that didn't happen did it?
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