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Old 02-03-2014, 08:10 PM   #101
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You are right, he's also one Super Bowl loss away from tying Jim Kelly's record.
So your point is that Jim Kelly sucks?


You need to realize that going to the SB is tough...winning it is even tougher.
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This place is going to be unbearable for at least a year. If the same team comes back, the mane won't even be happy if they go 16-0. They won't be happy if they win the divisional and afc championship. We will hear people say "yeah, but" with every win.

I dunno why I bother
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It took John Elway 4 seasons to go to a SB and 15 seasons to win a SB with the Broncos.....Peyton has taken them to one in only his 2nd season.

Amazingly, nobody with half a brain thought the Broncos should get rid of Elway...but these new fans are a different kind of stupid.
Wilson won SB within couple of years. you suck in your analogy. the days are long gone when teams wait for the QB to develop. This is win now mode.
no one knows what will happen next year.

With free agency and cap space..the window is short.This was our golden chance. we played like a high school team.
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This place is going to be unbearable for at least a year. If the same team comes back, the mane won't even be happy if they go 16-0. They won't be happy if they win the divisional and afc championship. We will hear people say "yeah, but" with every win.

I dunno why I bother
Not just the Mane. That will be the reaction from any and everyone. That's why the loss was so brutal it ruined this year and next year. No matter what happens all that will be said is "they will choke in the Super Bowl"

It's going to suck so bad. Just need to stop paying any attention to the media, I guess.
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Wilson won SB within couple of years. you suck in your analogy. the days are long gone when teams wait for the QB to develop. This is win now mode.
no one knows what will happen next year.

With free agency and cap space..the window is short.This was our golden chance. we played like a high school team.
We played awful, but it's not a reason to dump your best player. And stop comparing him to Wilson. It makes no ****ing sense. They were playing against completely diff defenses
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Not just the Mane. That will be the reaction from any and everyone. That's why the loss was so brutal it ruined this year and next year. No matter what happens all that will be said is "they will choke in the Super Bowl"

It's going to suck so bad. Just need to stop paying any attention to the media, I guess.
Yep. Good point
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John Elway was 14-7 in the playoffs while Manning is 11-12 and holds the record for most one and dones.

The story is written. Just needs a better ending than Manning getting gang raped.
Prior to '97-'98 seasons he was 7-7....and was labelled a choker and loser. Opposing team fans would poke fun at his lack of Sb wins all the time...it's amazing how a post season record can vastly improve once a HoF QB has a very good and healthy team built around him......

Elway as the biggest cog in the machine 7-7 in playoffs with losses in the SB getting progressively worse by 13 point leaps (lost by 19 in XXI, 32 in XXII and 45 in XXIV)

Elway as a main cog, but not the biggest cog in machine goes 7-0 and wins back to back titles.
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So your point is that Jim Kelly sucks?


You need to realize that going to the SB is tough...winning it is even tougher.
Did I say Jim Kelly sucks? No.

I just said Manning is in the class of Kelly, Warner, and Marino. Not the Montanas, Bradshaw, Brady, and Elway.
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This place is going to be unbearable for at least a year. If the same team comes back, the mane won't even be happy if they go 16-0. They won't be happy if they win the divisional and afc championship. We will hear people say "yeah, but" with every win.

I dunno why I bother
No one is forcing you to come here. I would hate to see you leave, but if you don't want to hear the crap that is surely going to come in the next few months then don't subject yourself to it.
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Manning has actually taken more teams deeper into the playoffs or even there with not as much talent. This Bronco defense was not very good and that was even before all the injuries. Do people really think Decker could put up big numbers on a different team? Until the Broncos find a legit defense, the QB won't matter.
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For the record, Elway doesn't win that game yesterday if he were in it. Peyton cannot be blamed for horrible o-line play, poor decisions on kick off returns, horrible special teams play and 3rd down defense.
Wrong! Elway was way more mobile and had a better arm than Manning.
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It took John Elway 4 seasons to go to a SB and 15 seasons to win a SB with the Broncos.....Peyton has taken them to one in only his 2nd season.

Amazingly, nobody with half a brain thought the Broncos should get rid of Elway...but these new fans are a different kind of stupid.
We'll never know, because there was no Orangemane...
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Old 02-04-2014, 07:39 AM   #114
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Did I say Jim Kelly sucks? No.

I just said Manning is in the class of Kelly, Warner, and Marino. Not the Montanas, Bradshaw, Brady, and Elway.
Those are all good QBs. They deserve to be in the discussion. Here are some points on why I consider Peyton to be better, and he isn't done yet.
  • The '70s Steelers were probably the greatest dynasty ever. Those other QBs you listed could have won 4 Super Bowls with them.
  • Montana was in the perfect system. Young had arguably the greatest three years of any QB in that 49ers system.
  • Brady is a key part of a great team. It seems like a team where "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts." Would he have had success on other teams?
  • Manning has a record 5 MVPs and dispelled the myth he couldn't win the big game when he won Super Bowl MVP verse the #1 defense.
  • Manning has taken two franchises to the Super Bowl. Warner achieved the same feat, but his level of greatness was relatively short.
  • Elway was always in a class of his own in my mind, but the haters said he couldn't win the big game. He finally got a team built around him like Brady, Montana, and Bradshaw enjoyed during the prime of their careers. Elway is proof that being a great QB isn't enough to be in the top class. You have be lucky enough to play on a great team too.
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This place is going to be unbearable for at least a year. If the same team comes back, the mane won't even be happy if they go 16-0. They won't be happy if they win the divisional and afc championship. We will hear people say "yeah, but" with every win.

I dunno why I bother
It's a fair argument though. When you are in "win now" mode, you need to win now. We just had the most prolific offense in NFL history, and we still lost. Media will be brutal next season no matter what we do, but you can't deny even a little of it is justified.
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Those are all good QBs. They deserve to be in the discussion. Here are some points on why I consider Peyton to be better, and he isn't done yet.
  • The '70s Steelers were probably the greatest dynasty ever. Those other QBs you listed could have won 4 Super Bowls with them.
  • Montana was in the perfect system. Young had arguably the greatest three years of any QB in that 49ers system.
  • Brady is a key part of a great team. It seems like a team where "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts." Would he have had success on other teams?
  • Manning has a record 5 MVPs and dispelled the myth he couldn't win the big game when he won Super Bowl MVP verse the #1 defense.
  • Manning has taken two franchises to the Super Bowl. Warner achieved the same feat, but his level of greatness was relatively short.
  • Elway was always in a class of his own in my mind, but the haters said he couldn't win the big game. He finally got a team built around him like Brady, Montana, and Bradshaw enjoyed during the prime of their careers. Elway is proof that being a great QB isn't enough to be in the top class. You have be lucky enough to play on a great team too.
Those other guys you dismiss for being on great teams, all won the same awards that Manning did. Bottom line is the game on Sunday showed us all that stats and records don't mean jack s***. Historic season to be sure, but nobody is gonna remember it. People will have the 8 points and a botched snap seared into their heads.


I've seen a lot of references to John Elway winning the Super Bowl after getting embarrassed in them. John Elway was 27-28 years old and in his prime and it took him 8 years to get back into the Super Bowl after the Broncos got ran out of the stadium by the Niners. 55-10.

Manning doesn't have that kind of time and I don't see it happening for him.
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Those other guys you dismiss for being on great teams, all won the same awards that Manning did. Bottom line is the game on Sunday showed us all that stats and records don't mean jack s***. Historic season to be sure, but nobody is gonna remember it. People will have the 8 points and a botched snap seared into their heads.


I've seen a lot of references to John Elway winning the Super Bowl after getting embarrassed in them. John Elway was 27-28 years old and in his prime and it took him 8 years to get back into the Super Bowl after the Broncos got ran out of the stadium by the Niners. 55-10.

Manning doesn't have that kind of time and I don't see it happening for him.
Exactly.

New England had an amazing, once in a lifetime 16-0 regular season, yet no one ever talks about them as being a great team because they lost the damn Super Bowl.

It's unfortunate, but losing a Super Bowl is worse than not making it at all.

Just the way it is.
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Exactly.

New England had an amazing, once in a lifetime 16-0 regular season, yet no one ever talks about them as being a great team because they lost the damn Super Bowl.

It's unfortunate, but losing a Super Bowl is worse than not making it at all.

Just the way it is.
Of all the 31 teams that doesn't win SB, the fans of the team that lost in SB feel the most pain.
Unfortunately, in NFL..there is no runner up trophy. The worst part is you are going to pick 31st.
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Yes he is...but what's funny is he's not alone on here in his sentiments. He's not the only one who silently rejoiced when the Broncos were handed their asses in the SB.

I know people get tired of me calling other "fans" out...but thiese kind of clowns really get my blood boiling. But like i said, some fans are better than others.
Yesterday I wore my Broncos shirt and Cap in public and I live in the NW were most people are Seahawks Fans. You talk about hard, I took a lot of well natured ribbing too all day. I own the loss because I’m a “real” Broncos fan.

The thing that instantly gets my blood boiling is when I get questioned about my fandom by fan's who think that being a loyal fan means not critiquing the team or the play.

At no point did I every say to you personally or anyone else on the OM that you were not “real fans” but you’ve accused me of it. I take the Broncos games very seriously, I take winning very seriously. When my team goes to the Super Bowl and loses I take it very seriously. It took 15 years for us to get back to this game and it could 15 or more before we get back again who knows for sure. So when my team loses the biggest game they’ve played for 15 years to a team they should at the very least given a competitive game too I get furious. I still am. If some of tenderhearted fans don’t like what I have to say don’t read nor respond but don’t say I’m not a “real fan”.

In so many words here you’re saying I’m not a “real fan” like you is that right? I’m not allowed to have my own opinion? If I don’t share yours I’m not a fan, is that it?

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Yesterday I wore my Broncos shirt and Cap in public and I live in the NW were most people are Seahawks Fans. You talk about hard, I took a lot of well natured ribbing too all day. I own the loss because I’m a “real” Broncos fan.

The thing that instantly gets my blood boiling is when I get questioned about my fandom by fan's who think that being a loyal fan means not critiquing the team or the play.

At no point did I every say to you personally or anyone else on the OM that you were not a “real fans” but you’ve accused me of it. I take the Broncos games very seriously, I take winning very seriously. When my team goes to the Super Bowl and loses I take it very seriously. It took 15 years for us to get back to this game and it could 15 or more before we get back again who knows for sure. So when my team loses the biggest game they’ve played for 15 years to a team they should at the very least given a competitive game too I get furious. I still am. If some of tenderhearted fans don’t like what I have to say don’t read nor respond but don’t say I’m not “real fan”.

In so many words here you’re saying I’m not “real fan” like you is that right? I’m not allowed to have my own opinion? If I don’t share yours I’m not a fan, is that it?
You know, I'm not going to question your "fandom", but I will question your judgement. Getting rid of Manning at this point would be about the worst thing the Broncos could do, if they are trying to get back to and win a Superbowl.
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I am upset as anyone about the game. Having gone through all seven
of these I did not expect the result.

1. the Seashawks were the better team...in EVERY facet.

2. The Broncos team that showed up was not the team I had seen most of the year. I thought that the game would be close and that Denver would win.
Instead they acted like scared children from the first snap.

3. Not sure who can be blamed...but Fox deserves a good portion. I know the players have to play, the coaches coach. But the surprise on the teams faces at the crowd noise the first snap was evident. And that was a coaches mistake. The rest of the game plan was piss poor, and Seattle was ready for everything we tried. And Denver Seattle played in the preseason, and the same result occurred. Denver was not prepared. Coaching problem.

4. I would not mind if Fox was fired. Elway doesn't knee jerk though. Sometimes I wish he would.
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You know, I'm not going to question your "fandom", but I will question your judgement. Getting rid of Manning at this point would be about the worst thing the Broncos could do, if they are trying to get back to and win a Superbowl.
Exactly. MHM is a Broncos fan but he makes us all look retarded when he blogs to the world. Luckily, it reaches maybe double digits. He posts on the Mane? It reaches thousands and thousands of views. Then it gets cut n pasted or linked to places like Chief Planet where they think we all agree with MHM's takes. Getting rid of Manning or saying Luck is hot garbage is two prime examples. Best to be quiet and we would never know how Mile High Mojoe thinks.
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http://jeffjacques.blogspot.com/2014...uld-be-to.html
This thread belongs in the Butt.

Calling for a HOF QB to retire because the whole team had a catastrophic meltdown after a regular season of unprecedented production.

So, who would you rather have than PFM? Kolb? Vick?
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Colts should release or trade Luck. He's been there 2 years and has a losing playoff record. Wilson is obviously the bestest cuz he won in year 2. /MHM
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Not only that but comprehension, spelling, use of caps, punctuation, etc.
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