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Old 02-03-2014, 01:34 AM   #26
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I think he has one year left. Was a four year deal at the time. But that doesn't change my view, he and his staff should be gone.
**** you are right. So one more season at a minimum. Joy.
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Old 02-03-2014, 01:36 AM   #27
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Just remember back. The 97/98 team defense was the weak link in the team. They were not a bad unit but definitely a bend but not break. The key element for that group was their ability to generate turnovers and provide tight coverage. They also had some real physical toughness with Romanowski and Atwater (97). Our current group doesn't produce turnovers, does not lay any wood on the opponent and except for DRC is soft in coverage. Very few times do you see a safety effectively pick up recievers in coverage.
Those defenses were actually very good. Especially in the playoffs. By no means were they a weak link.
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No extension for Fox is the obvious answer.

I think the injuries finally caught up with this team.
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Just remember back. The 97/98 team defense was the weak link in the team. They were not a bad unit but definitely a bend but not break. The key element for that group was their ability to generate turnovers and provide tight coverage. They also had some real physical toughness with Romanowski and Atwater (97). Our current group doesn't produce turnovers, does not lay any wood on the opponent and except for DRC is soft in coverage. Very few times do you see a safety effectively pick up recievers in coverage.
Enough blame the D bull****.

4 turnovers?

First half drive summary:

Safety
Punt
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INT - Pick 6.
Turnover on downs.

We built the team around offense. They are the ones who lost this game.
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Old 02-03-2014, 02:48 AM   #30
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Those defenses were actually very good. Especially in the playoffs. By no means were they a weak link.
Compared to the ball control, run the ball down your throat and John Elway throwing the ball offense. Yes they were. I did not say they were terrible. They were opportunistic and created turnovers but teams did move the ball on them. You are correct, they did play better in the playoffs. In the Green Bay Superbowl, they didn't have much of an answer to the Green Bay offense. Thank goodness for the Denver offense.

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Old 02-03-2014, 02:53 AM   #31
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**** you are right. So one more season at a minimum. Joy.
Losing like this he will probably get a short-term extension rather than a long one with more guarantees.

Doesn't mean he cannot be fired after next year. I think his wagon is hitched to Manning. If Manning calls it a day, assuming they don't win a SB, he will get the boot. Can't see him being around for a rebuild.
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Old 02-03-2014, 03:00 AM   #32
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Enough blame the D bull****.

4 turnovers?

First half drive summary:

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INT - Pick 6.
Turnover on downs.

We built the team around offense. They are the ones who lost this game.
This game was not just on the offense because of the turnovers. What was the 3rd down conversion rate of the Seattle offense. How did we get down 22 points at half, because the Seattle offense did a great job keeping the ball away from Manning.

I also saw the pathetic special team performance. I also saw the OL unable to keep the Manning clean which led to the turnovers.

Just because my post was mentioning defense did not mean I did not recognize significant factors in ALL phases of the game. My focus in my reply was defense, not stating that all blame was there. The Seattle defense won this game AND forced Denver into all that happened. The Bronco defense in turn had no answer for the Seattle offense either. Hence, 43 - 8
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Old 02-03-2014, 03:36 AM   #33
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If I was Elway I would have a few drinks and get a good night's sleep, if possible. Then, in the morning I'd send emails to every coach asking for an independent analysis of what went wrong, due in a week. Then, I'd fly to Hawaii and play golf for a week. After the week was up, I'd fly back to Dove Valley, grab a cup of coffee, sit down and read the analyses from the lowest coach on the totem pole to the highest. Then, I'd go from there...
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:53 AM   #34
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There won't be any major shake ups with Manning still here. There will small course corrections, just like in the 90s. A big help to the offense would be signing a FB similiar to Griffith. An atheletic guy that can block and catch the ball. The offense needs to get tougher and that would be a good way to start.

Other than that, the team needs massive help at DE, S, and MLB. Badly.
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This game was not just on the offense because of the turnovers. What was the 3rd down conversion rate of the Seattle offense. How did we get down 22 points at half, because the Seattle offense did a great job keeping the ball away from Manning.

I also saw the pathetic special team performance. I also saw the OL unable to keep the Manning clean which led to the turnovers.

Just because my post was mentioning defense did not mean I did not recognize significant factors in ALL phases of the game. My focus in my reply was defense, not stating that all blame was there. The Seattle defense won this game AND forced Denver into all that happened. The Bronco defense in turn had no answer for the Seattle offense either. Hence, 43 - 8
It was an effin miracle that it was only 8-0 at the end of 1. Then the O turned it over on our 37 and the D finally gave up a touchdown. The O followed up by responding with a pick-6.

We lost the game because our 'dominant' offense got dominated. Blaming the defense requires completely ignoring what this team was built around.
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If I was Elway I would have a few drinks and get a good night's sleep, if possible. Then, in the morning I'd send emails to every coach asking for an independent analysis of what went wrong, due in a week. Then, I'd fly to Hawaii and play golf for a week. After the week was up, I'd fly back to Dove Valley, grab a cup of coffee, sit down and read the analyses from the lowest coach on the totem pole to the highest. Then, I'd go from there...
Sounds like a plan.

I am waiting for Elway to publicly give his thoughts. I fear it will be something like the status quo.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:10 AM   #38
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seems like the WRs were slow coming open, making Manning slow in releasing making the Oline having to protect longer resulting in all the pressure on Manning.

Plus the coaching staff did not consider that the 12th man would be there for Seattle.

Going forward: better protection for Manning up front. A Boldin type receiver to fight through press coverage.

On D: for the umpteenth time, get a stud Safety and an MLB.

And keep our players off of the maryjane in CO.

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Old 02-03-2014, 08:12 AM   #39
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This. I think we need a big physical guard, Iupati type.
We already have one ... his name is Orlando Franklin.
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Sounds like a plan.

I am waiting for Elway to publicly give his thoughts. I fear it will be something like the status quo.
Probably right. But everyone sees that the team was completely unprepared
for the game. Like they thought just GETTING to the game was enough to get the trophy.

It was a stinker by the team. And if Elway thought the team was soft after the preseason game ( 42-10), what is he thinking now after the same team destroyed us even worse, on a supposedly neutral field , in the Superbowl.?

I think he will make some changes, but is going to take some time to think clearly. He is not Shanny , throwing the D-coord under the bus every time he failed.

My guess is Fox will not get an extension. Maybe Elway will ASK him to think about retiring, and install Del Rio. But Fox is popular with the players, so it won't be forced.

Elway knows that a great run game is needed, and will look to find pieces to get that established. We don't have that back, or the line to dominate, but we can't keep running Mannings offense that is 60-65% passing. Manning needs to reduce his cut, but we can't go into cap dead space either , so not much will happen there. I think next year is his last with Denver. We either win the bowl next year or its done.

No easy answers , but Elway is not dumb. Changes ARE coming.
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And nearly no cap space currently. What do you do?

That and I would get rid of Champ, Dreesen, Tamme and any other spendy contracts besides PM.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:25 AM   #42
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We need to get our depth back, on the offensive line. It was embarrassing to see the push Seattle got, on our line...
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Work on situational football.

Clean up the turnovers.

As far as not being prepared for the crowd noise, that is beyond awful.
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what we saw last night was what it was like to have one helluva secondary. we aren't that far from having one if we can lock up DRC and get Harris back healthy. still need better depth at CB. Carter isn't gonna cut it and Webster has potential. Bailey....idk. but we need better Safeties. Mike Adams is worthless and this was Duke's first season getting really any game action. We have to address Safety either in the draft or Free Agent and who knows if Moore will come back healthy. We saw a lot of holes in the team last night. We need a healthy Clady, Miller, Harris, Moore, Wolfe back next year and we should be alright.
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Mike Adams
Stewart Bradley
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Chris Harris
Trindon Holliday

Exclusive Rights Free Agents
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Duke Ihenacho
Brandon Marshall

And nearly no cap space currently. What do you do?
Need to resign group
DRC, Harris

Can resign if at the right price
Decker

Resign if cheap
Moreno
Ayers
Woodyard
Adams
Beadles
Phillips

Let walk and don't even think about having them return
Jammer
Holliday

The rest can come back and fight for a job at the minimum in training camp, but no loss if they go elsewhere.

As for Salary cap, between Bailey, Kuper, Tamme and Dreessen, the Broncos could save about 20 Million in cap room (don't know the cap well enough to know exactly what they could save), all for players that made minimal contribution this year because of injuries, or other players (Julius Thomas) stepping up.
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Denver needs a Harvin and a Speed RB added in rotation when facing Sea and SF type D's. Denver needs DE MLB both S spots fixred 2 CB's added. I think it's obvious DRC and Harris are the two best DB's at this point.

HC- With ability to get team fired up in big games. Being flat or playing scared in SB epic fail.
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God you people are killing me. It took the Seahawks three or four years to build that roster of physical defenders. We have a year or two with Manning and we are going to be drafting late every year. The reality is that we are what we are unless a rebuild starts. The only way this team wins a Super Bowl is if they stop turning the ball over. I have little faith in that department.
Uh, the Seahawks have been the #1 defense for the past 2 years and #7 the year before those (points). They were working with a worthless Hasselbeck but made it to the divisionals, Jackson, and a rookie last year, but made it to the divisionals. They had a new DC this year, must be good. I'm just wondering if the pressure of a dominant D might have had something to do with those turnovers. Ya think?
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Get a real MLB - Paris Lenon? Really?

Karlos Dansby
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all available

Also I don't know why we are paying a punter who never punts in the regular season and corks off 29 yarders in the super bowl $4 million.
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I'm excited to not see Ayers in orange anymore.
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