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Old 01-23-2014, 12:27 PM   #1
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Default Seattle's opponents O rankings vs. Denver's opponents D rankings

I am on a phone so forgive my mistakes.

Eatlier this week Ag made a thread stating that a majority of the QBs Seattle has faced have been mediocre at best. I saw the list and didn't think it would be so bare but it was. It gave me the idea to compare the rankings of Seattle's opponents on offense. This will tell us who their vaunted D went up against. I also deided to do the same for our offense and see who we faced on defense.

Broncos opponents. The defensive ranking will be next to the opponent and if they are ranked 12 or higher I will list how many points we scored.

Baltimore - 12. 49

Nyg - 17

Oakland - 29

Philly - 18

Dallas - 26

Jacksonville - 28

Indy - 9. 33

Washington - 31

San diego - 11. 28

KC - 5. 28

New England - 10. 31

KC - 5. 35

Tennessee - 16

San diego - 11. 20

Houston - 24

Oakland - 29

San diego - 11. 24

New England - 10. 26

The average ranking of our defensive opponents in 16.7. This is not as good as I thought it would be but it is average. There were 9 opponents who were in the top 12 in defense and we averaged around 30 points against those teams. Which is pretty damn good.

I will do the Seattle opponents on O next but I am on my phone so I will do it in the next post.

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Old 01-23-2014, 12:37 PM   #2
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Are you ranking on yards or scoring?
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:38 PM   #3
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You should back out what we scored against them, then rerank....
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I wil fix this when I get home.

This is scoring O and D only.
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:40 PM   #5
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You should back out what we scored against them, then rerank....
+1 The highest scoring offense of all time will quite literally skew any mean statistical data more than any offense ever has been to able.
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FootballOutsiders does this too if you want to see their numbers. The relevant columns are the Weighted Offense/Rank and Weighted Defense/Rank pairs.

Offense: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
Defense: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
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You should back out what we scored against them, then rerank....
Good idea. I will redo all of thos tonight. This just looks bad on the phone and I had the Seattle one typed pit and it erased it all basically Seattle's opponents were only ranked an average on 18.7. I will back their data out as well.
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+1 The highest scoring offense of all time will quite literally skew any mean statistical data more than any offense ever has been to able.
I agree, but do the same for Seattle.
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I agree, but do the same for Seattle.
For sure.

Seattle was 0.7 ppg better than the next best defense.

Denver was 10.1 ppg better than the next best offense.
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FootballOutsiders does this too if you want to see their numbers. The relevant columns are the Weighted Offense/Rank and Weighted Defense/Rank pairs.

Offense: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
Defense: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
To summarize for everyone...

Denver on O is #1 both unweighted and weighted.
Seattle on O is #7 unweighted and #9 weighted.

Seattle on D is #1 both unweighted and weighted.
Denver on D is #15 unweighted and #10 weighted.

The weighting is an adjustment where earlier games in the season become gradually less important. It better reflects how the team was playing at the end of the season.
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FootballOutsiders does this too if you want to see their numbers. The relevant columns are the Weighted Offense/Rank and Weighted Defense/Rank pairs.

Offense: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
Defense: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
I don't believe in that
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To summarize for everyone...

Denver on O is #1 both unweighted and weighted.
Seattle on O is #7 unweighted and #9 weighted.

Seattle on D is #1 both unweighted and weighted.
Denver on D is #15 unweighted and #10 weighted.

The weighting is an adjustment where earlier games in the season become gradually less important. It better reflects how the team was playing at the end of the season.
Why are you answering yourself?
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To summarize for everyone...

Denver on O is #1 both unweighted and weighted.
Seattle on O is #7 unweighted and #9 weighted.

Seattle on D is #1 both unweighted and weighted.
Denver on D is #15 unweighted and #10 weighted.

The weighting is an adjustment where earlier games in the season become gradually less important. It better reflects how the team was playing at the end of the season.
Well that saved me a **** load of time! Thanks!
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Well that saved me a **** load of time! Thanks!
Flawed stats though. Just like sabermetrics - a bunch of pseudoscience and bad assumptions that some math guy can sell to credulous fans.

I would of liked to have seen what you came up with.
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Flawed stats though. Just like sabermetrics - a bunch of pseudoscience and bad assumptions that some math guy can sell to credulous fans.

I would of liked to have seen what you came up with.
Also grossly flawed because there's a difference between coming in first place by a little, and coming in first place in historic fashion and a simple #1 doesn't distinguish that context
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Flawed stats though. Just like sabermetrics - a bunch of pseudoscience and bad assumptions that some math guy can sell to credulous fans.

I would of liked to have seen what you came up with.
All stats are flawed, or at least their application is flawed. Doesn't mean they are meaningless. (Also, FO's statistics have historically predicted game outcomes better than any other statistics system/site, so your dismissal seems too harsh.)

But anyway, wasn't trying to dissuade you from doing your process, just giving another perspective to compare to.
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Flawed stats though. Just like sabermetrics - a bunch of pseudoscience and bad assumptions that some math guy can sell to credulous fans.

I would of liked to have seen what you came up with.
Well I just realized how long it would take to take all the numbers out and re-rank everyone.

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All stats are flawed, or at least their application is flawed. Doesn't mean they are meaningless. (Also, FO's statistics have historically predicted game outcomes better than any other statistics system/site, so your dismissal seems too harsh.)

But anyway, wasn't trying to dissuade you from doing your process, just giving another perspective to compare to.
Since you're here, could you tell me if your using the advanced stats link still? I was wondering because it says that the best offense > best defense.

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Flawed stats though. Just like sabermetrics - a bunch of pseudoscience and bad assumptions that some math guy can sell to credulous fans.

I would of liked to have seen what you came up with.
Lol, so stats produced by Advanced NFL Stats or Football Outsiders or Football Perspective are "flawed", but a spreadsheet put together by a guy on the Mane isn't? You can't really be this obtuse, can you?

As for Sabermetrics, are you aware that many MLB organizations are now spending millions of dollars using such advanced metrics? Are they the "credulous fans" you're referring to?

We get it, you don't like stats you don't/can't/won't understand. But it would be great if you'd stop spewing your ignorance in every thread where they come up.
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Since you're here, could you tell me if your using the advanced stats link still? I was wondering because it says that the best offense > best defense.

Thanks
I think you have me confused with someone else. I don't think I've used any stats in any post on your site. (I'm assuming "using" stats would mean stating something, and then using stats to back up my statement.)
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Lol, so stats produced by Advanced NFL Stats or Football Outsiders or Football Perspective are "flawed", but a spreadsheet put together by a guy on the Mane isn't? You can't really be this obtuse, can you?

As for Sabermetrics, are you aware that many MLB organizations are now spending millions of dollars using such advanced metrics? Are they the "credulous fans" you're referring to?

We get it, you don't like stats you don't/can't/won't understand. But it would be great if you'd stop spewing your ignorance in every thread where they come up.
I know the difference between acceptable uses of methodologies as opposed to sources that are internet junk. Please tell, what college course is supporting the use of advanced stats or football outsiders as a valid source to predict football games? None, thatís right! Its pseudoscience made up by a bunch of guys doing stats so they can sell to folks like you who donít know what multi-variate analysis is or its application.

And yeah, your one link has been debunked already for its flawed premise.

Please stop pushing something you do not understand.
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I think you have me confused with someone else. I don't think I've used any stats in any post on your site. (I'm assuming "using" stats would mean stating something, and then using stats to back up my statement.)
Well, you opened your account the exact same time when I disagreed with someone and suddenly jumped in to support their position. I mean really. Mods should ban this guy.....
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Its pseudoscience made up by a bunch of guys doing stats so they can sell to folks like you...

And yeah, your one link has been debunked already for its flawed premise.
I haven't "bought" anything from them. And nothing has been "debunked". Brian Burke destroyed and laughed in the face of the "debunking" I assume you're referring to.

Nobody here is calling these stats gospel, genius. But they're the best we've got, and better than any analysis you've brought to the table.

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This game will be about Denver's D against Seattle O
I'm sure the numbers will not look good for Denver because of the early season shootouts but I really love how this D is playing right now

Welker spoke to the team before the AFCC game and basically told them to win they need to be very physical and all out

In a typical Super Bowl I would have Denver winning by 14 . Who knows what kind of mess the NFL and the crowd is walking into a week from Sunday

Wilson looks like dogsh?t and can pull a couple plays out of his ass but he is bery inaccurate right now and does alot of CTD? pick a WR

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Well that saved me a **** load of time! Thanks!
It would be interesting to see the results of your analysis so post it if you do it.

The notable thing about those FO stats is that they show that Denver's O, and Seattle's D, were great from start to finish. They also show that Seattle's O declined slightly at the end of the season, whereas Denver's D improved a good amount.
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