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Old 01-21-2014, 12:49 PM   #1
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Default Chris Clark Dominated Chandler Jones; Seattle Has No One Close To Jones' Talent

Chris Clark absolutely destroyed Chandler Jones, the physical specimen with the arm length of a pro basketball center, the athleticism comparable to Von Miller (also the brother of Rampage Jones of UFC fame, I think), and a huge year production wise with 11.5 sacks.

In 42 pass rush attempts against Clark in the AFC Championship game, Clark limited Jones to a pat on Peyton's non-throwing shoulder and one holding call. That's it.

If Clark plays like this against Seattle's pass rush threesome of Aviril, Bennett, and Clemons throughout the game, we win going away because Orlando Franklin is a top 3 RT in this league and will shut down the right side if his past performances are any indicator. Collectively, while the Seattle pass rush trio has talent, they are inferior individually to Chandler Jones.

Damn, Chris Clark, thank you so much, man.


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The No. 21 overall pick emerged with 11.5 sacks this year, and along with defensive end Rob Ninkovich, gave the Patriots pass-rushing threats on both sides of the defensive line.

Jones has been less of a sack threat in recent weeks; he has just one sack since his take-down of Peyton Manning in Week 12 pushed his season total to 10.5 sacks through 11 games. But Jones continues to generate pressure; he was credited with six quarterback hurries by ProFootballFocus.com in Week 17 against Buffalo.
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Jones was mostly a physical specimen (6-foot-5, 260 pounds) coming out of Syracuse University. His size and length made him very projectable to the NFL; many scouts thought that coaches could get the most out of a player with Jones’ potential.
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I'm wondering, should we use him as trade-bait when Clady returns, or should we keep him as a backup?
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I'm wondering, should we use him as trade-bait when Clady returns, or should we keep him as a backup?
I'd prefer we move him to guard assuming we let Beadles walk. If we lose a tackle to injury we then shift him. Perfect situation honestly.
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Chandler Jones is not a great player, nor a great pass-rusher. His stats are heavily inflated because NE plays in the AFC East (against 3 young QB's), and overall a very easy schedule.

Jones only had one sack in the last 7 games.

Every single year of his college and professional career, he starts out fast for the first half of the season then does nothing the rest of the year either due to injury or just wearing out.

Against the Broncos he looked uninspired, slow, skinny, and tired.
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Chandler Jones is not a great player, nor a great pass-rusher. His stats are heavily inflated because NE plays in the AFC East (against 3 young QB's), and overall a very easy schedule.

Jones only had one sack in the last 7 games.

Every single year of his college and professional career, he starts out fast for the first half of the season then does nothing the rest of the year either due to injury or just wearing out.

Against the Broncos he looked uninspired, slow, skinny, and tired.
Jones had 3 sacks in the last 7 weeks of the regular season, including one against the broncos in week 12. Not to mention he didn't have much help at D-tackle to take some of the attention off of him. Clark and Franklin stepped up in a big way this weekend.
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I'm wondering, should we use him as trade-bait when Clady returns, or should we keep him as a backup?
He's signed until 2015 for a reasonable price. We should keep him at least for another year, unless we get some crazy offer from someone desperate. Clady needs to prove he's completely healthy as well.
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He's signed until 2015 for a reasonable price. We should keep him at least for another year, unless we get some crazy offer from someone desperate. Clady needs to prove he's completely healthy as well.
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Depth on the O-line should be a high priority, IMO.
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Chandler Jones is not a great player, nor a great pass-rusher. His stats are heavily inflated because NE plays in the AFC East (against 3 young QB's), and overall a very easy schedule.

Jones only had one sack in the last 7 games.

Every single year of his college and professional career, he starts out fast for the first half of the season then does nothing the rest of the year either due to injury or just wearing out.

Against the Broncos he looked uninspired, slow, skinny, and tired.
You, my friend, are retarded. Straight up short bus, homey.

Let's just take a look at some of the other pro bowl DEs....

Chandler Jones 75 tackles 11.5 sacks (the sacks were fourth most by a DE)
Cameron Jordan 46 tackles 12.5 sacks...pro bowl
Mario Williams 34 tackles..13 sacks...pro bowl
Cameron Wake 35 tackles..8.5 sacks...pro bowl

Now I know sound logic doesn't work with you, so I don't hope for much here. I'm just gonna blame the American educational system on your post.
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I'm wondering, should we use him as trade-bait when Clady returns, or should we keep him as a backup?
I would think the Broncos move Franklin to guard if Beadles walks, Franklin would be quite the bulldozer on run blocking.
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I would think the Broncos move Franklin to guard if Beadles walks, Franklin would be quite the bulldozer on run blocking.
I used to be a fan of moving Franklin to guard, but at this point he is as good as any RT in the league so a move makes little sense.
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Can people stop saying use Clark as trade bait? Good lord. For what? A draft pick? You have his rights at a decent rate for a few years. Trade him for a 2nd round pick maybe? Land the next Tatum Bell or Richard Quinn? Play to win. It's also no guarantee that Clady comes back healthy and effective. You don't put Manning in a situation where he could get hurt like that. Not worth it.
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Franklin is an UFA at the end of next season as well. I think we keep Clark for insurance against Clady's return from injury and depth.
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Can people stop saying use Clark as trade bait? Good lord. For what? A draft pick? You have his rights at a decent rate for a few years. Trade him for a 2nd round pick maybe? Land the next Tatum Bell or Richard Quinn? Play to win. It's also no guarantee that Clady comes back healthy and effective. You don't put Manning in a situation where he could get hurt like that. Not worth it.
Completely agree. I'm more interested in seeing if Vinston Painter could successfully transfer to guard next year. He definitely has the size and athleticism to be a great pulling guard.
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This situation........is a good one. Usually we are desperate to find depth and good Olineman.
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I rewatched parts of the Seahag game, the 49ers have the better front 7 and the Seahags the better back 7.

Our OL has kept Manning clean all postseason if they keep him that clean in the SB I think we run away with it. Seahags are on par with kFc talent wise on O though Turbin is a good back and better depth than anything kFc has depth wise. Seahags WR talent is limited, as long as we don't lose anymore CB's to injury I think we can pressure Wilson with the front 4.

Manning should have time to pick apart the Seahag secondary. No mistakes and the SB is ours!
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Jones had 3 sacks in the last 7 weeks of the regular season, including one against the broncos in week 12. Not to mention he didn't have much help at D-tackle to take some of the attention off of him. Clark and Franklin stepped up in a big way this weekend.
Counting the playoffs, Jones had one sack in the last 7 games.

Bellicheat played the snot out of him (further proving his idiocy). Jones had 1284 snaps in the NFL this year (4th most), and disappeared throughout the 2nd half of the season.
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Bull poop. Avril, Clemens, Bennett are all better pass rusher s than Chandler Jones. Irvin can even be argued. Clark did a great job but is going to have his hands full again.
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chandler jones is nice player for the Pats. It seemed like he spent most of the last two games in coverage.

The pats entire defense wasn't the same without Wilfork, Kelly and Spikes. They really could use some better players in the secondary.
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Seattle finished tied for 8th with 44 sacks this year....but Denver had 41 at tenth.

Seattle tied for tenth most sacks allowed at 44. Denver allowed the fewest at 20. That's a 0 differential for Seattle and +24 for Denver.

Seattle also was able to get 25 of their 44 sacks on the road. That's more than 3 per road game. Now much of that is inflated because they had a game against the Cardinals where they sacked Palmer 7 times. So if you throw that game out as anomalous, they are still averaging over 2 sacks per game on the road. Whether it's coverage or a good rotation, the Hawks can pressure and sack their opponents. We're very good at protecting Manning, but this will be a challenge.
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Seattle finished tied for 8th with 44 sacks this year....but Denver had 41 at tenth.

Seattle tied for tenth most sacks allowed at 44. Denver allowed the fewest at 20. That's a 0 differential for Seattle and +24 for Denver.

Seattle also was able to get 25 of their 44 sacks on the road. That's more than 3 per road game. Now much of that is inflated because they had a game against the Cardinals where they sacked Palmer 7 times. So if you throw that game out as anomalous, they are still averaging over 2 sacks per game on the road. Whether it's coverage or a good rotation, the Hawks can pressure and sack their opponents. We're very good at protecting Manning, but this will be a challenge.
It's volume. They don't have a Von Miller/Aldon Smith to dictate protections, but everyone in their front seven is pretty good at it.

It's effectively foregoing haymakers in favor of a dozen jabs.
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Seattle finished tied for 8th with 44 sacks this year....but Denver had 41 at tenth.

Seattle tied for tenth most sacks allowed at 44. Denver allowed the fewest at 20. That's a 0 differential for Seattle and +24 for Denver.

Seattle also was able to get 25 of their 44 sacks on the road. That's more than 3 per road game. Now much of that is inflated because they had a game against the Cardinals where they sacked Palmer 7 times. So if you throw that game out as anomalous, they are still averaging over 2 sacks per game on the road. Whether it's coverage or a good rotation, the Hawks can pressure and sack their opponents. We're very good at protecting Manning, but this will be a challenge.
Just over two sacks per game against mostly mediocre QBs/olines strikes you as a serious challenge for Manning and our oline?
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Seattle finished tied for 8th with 44 sacks this year....but Denver had 41 at tenth.

Seattle tied for tenth most sacks allowed at 44. Denver allowed the fewest at 20. That's a 0 differential for Seattle and +24 for Denver.

Seattle also was able to get 25 of their 44 sacks on the road. That's more than 3 per road game. Now much of that is inflated because they had a game against the Cardinals where they sacked Palmer 7 times. So if you throw that game out as anomalous, they are still averaging over 2 sacks per game on the road. Whether it's coverage or a good rotation, the Hawks can pressure and sack their opponents. We're very good at protecting Manning, but this will be a challenge.
Seattle has rang up all of 7 sacks the past four games. 3 total in the playoffs. They have capable guys that can rush the passer but Denver has a capable OL to take them out as they have with most other teams. Seattle will need a NYG type rush against Denver to knock them off pace.
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You, my friend, are retarded. Straight up short bus, homey.

Let's just take a look at some of the other pro bowl DEs....

Chandler Jones 75 tackles 11.5 sacks (the sacks were fourth most by a DE)
Cameron Jordan 46 tackles 12.5 sacks...pro bowl
Mario Williams 34 tackles..13 sacks...pro bowl
Cameron Wake 35 tackles..8.5 sacks...pro bowl

Now I know sound logic doesn't work with you, so I don't hope for much here. I'm just gonna blame the American educational system on your post.
I bet you think Rob Ninkovich is one of the best DE's in the NFL too, and no I aint your homey.

Ninkovich and Jones had the most defensive snaps of any DL players in the NFL this year. And both put up similar numbers.

Robert Ayers had a much greater impact on the AFCCG than either of those players. Why? Probably because he was much fresher. I guarantee you that if you give Robert Ayers 1284 snaps he would put up very similar numbers to Jones... And no one would confuse him with one of the best DE's in the NFL.

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Seattle finished tied for 8th with 44 sacks this year....but Denver had 41 at tenth.

Seattle tied for tenth most sacks allowed at 44. Denver allowed the fewest at 20. That's a 0 differential for Seattle and +24 for Denver.

Seattle also was able to get 25 of their 44 sacks on the road. That's more than 3 per road game. Now much of that is inflated because they had a game against the Cardinals where they sacked Palmer 7 times. So if you throw that game out as anomalous, they are still averaging over 2 sacks per game on the road. Whether it's coverage or a good rotation, the Hawks can pressure and sack their opponents. We're very good at protecting Manning, but this will be a challenge.
Against Philadelphia, team with the eighth most sacks, Peyton was sacked once.

Against Jacksonville, team the 2nd most sacks, Peyton was sacked ZERO times.

Against Oakland, twice, team tied with Seattle for sacks, Peyton was sacked twice total.

Against KC, twice, a team with Pro Bowl OLB rushing LBs, Peyton was sacked Zero times in two games. And with KC, their pass defense is better than Seattle's completion percentage against by a large margin. So despite great coverage downfield and two terror OLB raging on the OL, Peyton wasn't even touched.

So we have proven already with teams with great pass rushes is that they don't get to Peyton, at all. I don't see why Seattle should be any different.
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I bet you think Rob Ninkovich is one of the best DE's in the NFL too, and no I aint your homey.

Ninkovich and Jones had the most defensive snaps of any DL players in the year this year. And both put up similar numbers.

Robert Ayers had a much greater impact on the AFCCG than either of those players. Why? Probably because he was much fresher. I guarantee you that if you give Robert Ayers 1284 snaps he would put up very similar numbers to Jones... And no one would confuse him with one of the best DE's in the NFL.
Down boy, down. If Ronnie Hillman rushed the ball 350 times, he would be the leagues leading rusher. If...if....if....
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