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Old 01-21-2014, 10:35 AM   #51
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Love all our receivers but the Thomases are the only must keeps. As others have said, we’d have no trouble attracting receivers to Denver. Also, In John We Trust.
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:36 AM   #52
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nightmare scenario: Oakland will be flush with cash, $66M under the cap. I don't see how we could win bidding war with Dennis Allen.
Winning matters. I'm sure Decker has seen what Oakland and the Raiders are all about.
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:39 AM   #54
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From what I understand, Manning, Tamme, and Decker are all great friends. They carpool to the games together. That speaks volumes about Manning being comfortable. If he feels comfortable, and healthy, he'll stick around.

I don't think we have the money to afford all the guys we have coming up. With that being said, Manning is owning a huge chunk of our cap right now at $20M. I'm pretty sure if Decker is his buddy, and we could throw him $4-5M a season possibly, Manning could come through to make up the difference on a potential $8-10M contract he could get offered.

Elway and Manning seem to have a great relationship. I'm sure he would put the option on the table. If Manning wants it bad enough, and to continue playing with these WR's, he'll consider it.
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Deck will take the most money and who's going to blame him? He should get 7-9M a season. The issue is, if we give Deck that money we almost have to do the same for JT and DT, which we probably cant. The top payed WR duo's in the league by avg salary are Boldin 6M/ Crabtree 5.7M and Garcon 8.1M/ J Morgan 5.1M. Also add in Vernon Davis to SF for 7.3M. SF would be in cap hell if Kaep held out.

How sweet would it be if we could give Deck and DT identical contracts at about 7M a year? Let JT prove it one more year and probably cut Welker.
DT is worth much more than Decker. Everyone knows it. Probably even Decker.
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:47 AM   #56
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DT is worth much more than Decker. Everyone knows it. Probably even Decker.
Not so much if we buy out the last year of his rookie contract.
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I'd prefer to keep Decker vs Welker because of concussion issue.
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I'd prefer to keep Decker vs Welker because of concussion issue.
Decker is also just better at this point. And younger.
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I honestly dont think offering DT and Deck identical contracts is such an off-the-wall idea. Theyre both young so we could guarantee more and back-load both while giving huge bonuses. DT probably deserves more, but as mentioned, since youre buying out his last season we should get a discount. Plus this would go along way at establishing a brand for both of them while also building team camaraderie
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Old 01-21-2014, 11:58 AM   #60
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Looking at Welker's salary he has an 8M cap hit next year but only 2M in dead money if we cut him. A 6M savings for a guy who's a concussion away from being done. I say keep him but you know it will be discussed among the brass. And they dont have to worry about him going back to the Pats lol


Why not they could sure use a receiver who can block down field!

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Old 01-21-2014, 12:10 PM   #61
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Deck will take the most money and who's going to blame him? He should get 7-9M a season. The issue is, if we give Deck that money we almost have to do the same for JT and DT, which we probably cant. The top payed WR duo's in the league by avg salary are Boldin 6M/ Crabtree 5.7M and Garcon 8.1M/ J Morgan 5.1M. Also add in Vernon Davis to SF for 7.3M. SF would be in cap hell if Kaep held out.

How sweet would it be if we could give Deck and DT identical contracts at about 7M a year? Let JT prove it one more year and probably cut Welker.
Deck could help us out by backloading a long term deal for the day Manning's payroll goes away, while giving maybe a slight hometown discount.

My feeling is, like you say, he'll want paid now and as much as possible. Which means you keep Welker and say bye bye to Deck.

As for keeping both, I think PFM is the real wildcard there. I hope he sees the writing on the wall and says, "Eff it, I'll take it in the shorts to keep the team together." When you think about it, he needs the money a lot less than either Deck or Welker. He can still pimp Buicks long after he's done playing football.
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if it came down to Decker, DRC, or Moreno, who do you re-sign?
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Old 01-21-2014, 12:36 PM   #63
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if it came down to Decker, DRC, or Moreno, who do you re-sign?
DRC, no question.
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Old 01-21-2014, 12:48 PM   #64
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if it came down to Decker, DRC, or Moreno, who do you re-sign?
IDK, but I will say I think a healthy Chris Harris was/is just as good as DRC. And im hearing DRC will be commanding 9+ Million a season while we can probably get Harris for 1/3 of that. I would personally rather keep the offense in tact even if we over-pay and then sign a bunch of mid tier FA's to 1 or 2 yr deals on defense. Trade up for a CB?
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The only thing that matters in this league is having an elite qb. You have one, you have a chance.
That is exactly why Peyton has a ****ed up neck now.
If you have a franchise elite QB then you surround him with talent and you find ways to keep or replace that talent.
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:28 PM   #66
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if it came down to Decker, DRC, or Moreno, who do you re-sign?
Moreno b/c DRC is not a FA in 2014. 2014 is a voidable year for DRC but he is signed through 2014.

I cringe at this, but Decker is replaceable. I would look to build WR depth via trade for Tamme or Dressen and a 4th rounder or via the draft.

Look at the talent that last years draft produced at the WR position. I would love to have another big 6-5 WR and there are three available this year via Texas A&M or FSU or Fresno State.

Hakim Nicks, Golden Tate, Jeremy Maclin...they all do what Decker can do with Manning tossing the rock. I doubt their production would be any less than Decker's.

We also need to try to resign Beadles, Ayers, Woody, Carter (hopefully Harris too), and possibly Adams. As well as rebuilding at DE spot. Shaun Phillips might resign for less if he doesn't retire.

There will be a lot of FA Corners hitting the market so we may find it easy to reach terms with Carter and possibly another great FA Corner.

I would love to get Byrd and/or Ward in here at safety. No way opposing qb's could keep up with that addition to our secondary.

There is no doubt that this years team has been stacked with talent. I can't believe the uprising at Oline, TE, RB, DLine, and even Corner. It would be great to keep building this depth, but obviously we need to cut some of the talent loose to continue building via the draft. With an awesome QB, you can continually rebuild gradually while keeping a lot of the parts the same.

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if it came down to Decker, DRC, or Moreno, who do you re-sign?
Moreno comes first, he's a team leader and this nonsensical assumption by some that Ball will just move into his role and we can replace him in the draft is foolhardy.
He pass protection and receiving is huge for a Manning offense and he has save Manning's neck many times this season.

After Moreno you go with DRC. He has been a shut down CB and whether Champ stays or not is needed to get the most out of this defense.
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:42 PM   #68
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It's Oakland
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That is easy, DRC
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I think a 4 yr/17M or so deal for JT might be coming. He could go off for 17 tds next season and demand 8-9 Million. We could TAG DT next offseason if we have to, but Von and Pot Roast are both FA next year as well
4/17 isn't a realistic offer....he could get alot more on the market. If he is smart, he will wait.
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4/17 isn't a realistic offer....he could get alot more on the market. If he is smart, he will wait.
He's been hurt enough that he knows there's at least some risk in holding out. 4/17 isn't realistic, but if you can give him a fat signing bonus next season instead of his rookie scale you've got a little leverage there.
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They'll use the franchise tag on JT when that time comes. 6 Mil a year, would be a steal. Only concern would be a holdout.
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4/17 isn't a realistic offer....he could get alot more on the market. If he is smart, he will wait.
As mentioned by someone else , there's an injury history there. He only had 1 catch his first two seasons. The more I think about it , the more I think we just go all in for a repeat run. Everyone is under contract but Deck and Know. We tag Deck if we can't sign him and we let Knowshon walk and bring in a Rb known for his blocking and hands. This would leave us enough money on defense to sign a Cb and two defensive lineman.
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nightmare scenario: Oakland will be flush with cash, $66M under the cap. I don't see how we could win bidding war with Dennis Allen.
If Decker is just about the money... and the Raiders want to overpay him.. then more power to him. This may be Deckers 1 chance to sign a fat contract.

Its still the Raiders.. and they are going to stink for a number of years.

Decker would be better off signing with a team like the Seahawks, but are they willing to pay him more than the Broncos ?

I do think Decker is expendable, the draft is going to be deep this year.. finding a replacement shouldn't be too hard.
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Decker attracts women to the Denver Broncos. I am a Denver Broncos fan. Ergo, Decker makes me attractive to women.
...and, gay men. I have a gay uncle who couldn't stop posting Decker pics, on Facebook. His male friends were just so giddy, about it...
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