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Old 01-21-2014, 09:09 AM   #26
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In a way, Von's screw ups may be a benefit in a reflection of market value.
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:10 AM   #27
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I don't know. The more success we have the less likely I see Decker or Moreno leaving.
Decker is a great #2 & playing with Manning is hard to pass up.
Don't think either will command the contract most expect. Though it only takes one idiot team.
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Looking at Welker's salary he has an 8M cap hit next year but only 2M in dead money if we cut him. A 6M savings for a guy who's a concussion away from being done. I say keep him but you know it will be discussed among the brass. And they dont have to worry about him going back to the Pats lol
Imo, due to age & health Welker is expendable if you're looking for the long term.
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Looking at Welker's salary he has an 8M cap hit next year but only 2M in dead money if we cut him. A 6M savings for a guy who's a concussion away from being done. I say keep him but you know it will be discussed among the brass. And they dont have to worry about him going back to the Pats lol
Saw something about his 2014 guarantee activating in March. To cut him before then, you'd have to have something worked out with Decker first.

Can't see them letting Welker go with Deck still on the market. And I don't see Deck being settled up by then (if at all, if he's chasing the $$$). Interesting to think about, anyway.
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Imo, due to age & health Welker is expendable if you're looking for the long term.
It depends, if were pressed for cash, maybe. If guys start holding out and asking for raises. If we give long term deals to Deck, DRC, JT, Pot Roast, HArris and sign a top DE then yeah I could see him leaving.
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Decker says loyalty my ass ..... show me the money.

If we win the SB other teams will loot us like a natural disaster.
I think he leaves to a bigger market area because of his attention seeking wife.

I bet he's a Raider or a Dolphin next year.
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We should ask Peyton to make the decision to come back next season as early as possible, which would let Decker to sign for at least for a short term. Remember, this guy begged for Peyton's practice time, when he first signed with us.
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Saw something about his 2014 guarantee activating in March. To cut him before then, you'd have to have something worked out with Decker first.

Can't see them letting Welker go with Deck still on the market. And I don't see Deck being settled up by then (if at all, if he's chasing the $$$). Interesting to think about, anyway.
If Deck doesnt get signed early then he's probably gone. As mentioned earlier, theres a handful of teams with tons of cap space. We'll try to sign him, then consider the tag, then if he's not tagged he's gone IMO

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We should ask Peyton to make the decision to come back next season as early as possible, which would let Decker to sign for at least for a short term. Remember, this guy begged for Peyton's practice time, when he first signed with us.
This isn't even really a question. Barring some kind of medical surprise, he's coming back.
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It depends, if were pressed for cash, maybe. If guys start holding out and asking for raises. If we give long term deals to Deck, DRC, JT, Pot Roast, HArris and sign a top DE then yeah I could see him leaving.
I like having a little cash to work with. I don't like being tied up with assets. Especially assets that have a declining roi.
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I like having a little cash to work with. I don't like being tied up with assets. Especially assets that have a declining roi.
Elway will have to have alot of balls to break up this offense. If Know, Decker and Welker all leave people wont be happy
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In a way, Von's screw ups may be a benefit in a reflection of market value.
His screw ups and now injury may make the long-term deal much less attractive for Elway and Co. Thinner Von, two years ago Von no brainer. Heavier Von, off the field issue and now ACL tear.... I would not be suprised if Elway was reluctant to outbid someone.
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His screw ups and now injury may make the long-term deal much less attractive for Elway and Co. Thinner Von, two years ago Von no brainer. Heavier Von, off the field issue and now ACL tear.... I would not be suprised if Elway was reluctant to outbid someone.
Unless Von has another 2013-sized disappointment next year, I'm 80% sure we'll be tagging him.

Which makes getting DT a long term deal well before then even more important.
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If Deck doesnt get signed early then he's probably gone. As mentioned earlier, theres a handful of teams with tons of cap space. We'll try to sign him, then consider the tag, then if he's not tagged he's gone IMO
I don't think we can tag Decker in the name of saving cap space. The 2014 hit for the WR tag would undoubtedly be higher than what we'd have to pay to ink him longer-term.
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Elway will have to have alot of balls to break up this offense. If Know, Decker and Welker all leave people wont be happy
I would give welkers $ to my younger core players.
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His screw ups and now injury may make the long-term deal much less attractive for Elway and Co. Thinner Von, two years ago Von no brainer. Heavier Von, off the field issue and now ACL tear.... I would not be suprised if Elway was reluctant to outbid someone.
Elway won't walk away empty handed if it were to come to that. I think he stays, but it's a better deal for the broncos.
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I don't think we can tag Decker in the name of saving cap space. The 2014 hit for the WR tag would undoubtedly be higher than what we'd have to pay to ink him longer-term.
I never said that. The 11.5 TAG hit would be a major burden. I honestly dont know whats going to happen. If Elway decides he wont pursue many Free Agents and he's going to wait until next season to address JT and DT then I could see us Tagging Deck. Does Elway decide to go all in for a repeat?? I think the prospect of having Deck, JT, DT, and Welker all playing on 1 yr deals is dangerous. But then again, guys work harder when theyre playing for a contract. It should also be noted that Denver will have no trouble recruiting Free Agents to play here.
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Elway won't walk away empty handed if it were to come to that. I think he stays, but it's a better deal for the broncos.
I'm assuming Von will be in Denver all off-season so Elway and staff are going to get an up close look at how committed Von is to getting better
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I never said that. The 11.5 TAG hit would be a major burden. I honestly dont know whats going to happen. If Elway decides he wont pursue many Free Agents and he's going to wait until next season to address JT and DT then I could see us Tagging Deck. Does Elway decide to go all in for a repeat?? I think the prospect of having Deck, JT, DT, and Welker all playing on 1 yr deals is dangerous. But then again, guys work harder when theyre playing for a contract. It should also be noted that Denver will have no trouble recruiting Free Agents to play here.
I think we work out a long term deal with DT and JT in the offseason, then lose either Decker or Welker based on what Decker's looking for.

Hope against hope that Decker wants to stay here and make a deal work that keeps all 4 horsemen here. Not sure why, but the GQ maternity shoot gave me the feeling that's probably not in the cards.
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IMO Deck is gone, he's going to get $10M/per+ and we just won't be able to afford it. Restructure or retire champ and we've got change to keep the crits.
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I think we work out a long term deal with DT and JT in the offseason, then lose either Decker or Welker based on what Decker's looking for.

Hope against hope that Decker wants to stay here and make a deal work that keeps all 4 horsemen here. Not sure why, but the GQ maternity shoot gave me the feeling that's probably not in the cards.
Deck will take the most money and who's going to blame him? He should get 7-9M a season. The issue is, if we give Deck that money we almost have to do the same for JT and DT, which we probably cant. The top payed WR duo's in the league by avg salary are Boldin 6M/ Crabtree 5.7M and Garcon 8.1M/ J Morgan 5.1M. Also add in Vernon Davis to SF for 7.3M. SF would be in cap hell if Kaep held out.

How sweet would it be if we could give Deck and DT identical contracts at about 7M a year? Let JT prove it one more year and probably cut Welker.
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I think we work out a long term deal with DT and JT in the offseason, then lose either Decker or Welker based on what Decker's looking for.

Hope against hope that Decker wants to stay here and make a deal work that keeps all 4 horsemen here. Not sure why, but the GQ maternity shoot gave me the feeling that's probably not in the cards.
Yea, wives that crave the spotlight & Denver are oil & water.
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