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Old 01-21-2014, 07:19 PM   #151
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You're right, I can't believe these same people being negative Nancies when we played SD, and NE now getting all cocky and ****.
About some little respect to our opponents so we don't get crushed and beaten for being over confident?
Umm, nobody on the OM is playing in the SB...who cares if they're "over confident"?
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:26 PM   #152
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Let's be fair. We were talking about Brokeneck Rent-a-Manning at the time.
...yeah, but you clowns still stood your ground defending the throwing neaderthal despite released video of Manning throwing the ball very well at Duke, and medical clearance by his doctor and the Colts doctor, and after private workouts with interested teams. You clowns stood by takes even after Manning signed.....but thanks for playing
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:29 PM   #153
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The Seahawks won the toughest division in the NFL. The Chiefs finished second in the second toughest division.

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umm, the Broncos won the AFC West which had three teams make the playoffs
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Any elite QB's with an offense averaging 37.9 points per game on those teams?
I dunno....would you consider Elway, Marino, Staubach and Montana elite? I would. Keep in mind the rules didn't allow QB's to throw for 4-5 TD's per game back then either.
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I keep hearing that Seattle's defense isn't as good as advertised because of who they have played. On the flip side, Seattle's offense is better than everybody thinks. First, Lynch always plays better in the postseason. Second, they have played 7 games this year against top 5 defenses. That may be a record. The Broncos haven't play any top 5 defenses yet.
Are those D's rated that high because they played Seattle's offense 2x?
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:42 PM   #157
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Are those D's rated that high because they played Seattle's offense 2x?
It's not any different than the offenses that played Seattle's defense being rated lower.
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You forgot to mention the seahawks defense played against offenses that ranked 20th and 19th in the league every week. See for yourself at NFL.com stats page and average out those defense rankings:

yards/points

1) 49ers = 24th, 11th X2
2) Texans = 11th, 31st
3) Saints = 4th, 10th
4) Jaguars = 31st, 32nd
5) Rams = 30th, 21st X2
6) Panthers, 26th, 18th
7) Titans = 22nd, 19th
8) Cardinals = 12th, 16th X2
9) Falcons = 14th, 20th
10) Vikings, 13th, 14th
11) Bucs, 32nd, 30th
12) Colts 15th, 14th
13) Giants = 28th, 28th
Yes, and the Broncos have the lowest rated defense the Seahawks have faced in over two months.
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Yes, and the Broncos have the lowest rated defense the Seahawks have faced in over two months.
So you were just lurking and decided to create an account to debate on behalf of the Seahawks while remembering you're at a Broncos message board?

Btw, you should consider whether youre cherry picking stats. More specifically, you should consider whether you're referencing the proper relevant range.

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So you were just lurking and decided to create an account to debate on behalf of the Seahawks while remembering you're at a Broncos message board?

Btw, you should consider whether youre cherry picking stats. More specifically, you should consider whether you're referencing the proper relevant range.
You're not interested in debate?

And the stats I was using were the exact same stats as the poster I was responding to...yards/points. By those metrics the Broncos are the lowest rated defense the Seahawks have faced since Nov. 17 against the Vikings. If this is wrong feel free to correct it.
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Yes, and the Broncos have the lowest rated defense the Seahawks have faced in over two months.
You have to keep in mind a couple things, though. Denver's offense was so efficient that the fourth quarter was often garbage time for the opposition. That's gonna inflate the PPG metric, and it makes me think Denver is better than their #19 ranking. Also, Denver's rush defense is tied for seventh with both Seattle and SF at 3.9 yards/attempt. This pits Seattle's strength on offense against Denver's strength on defense. Denver played a tougher gaggle of rushing opponents than Seattle did, too.

It's interesting (to me at least) that Denver outscored Seattle by ~10 PPG on offense (37.9 to 26.1) and Seattle played better defense by a margin of ~10 PPG (14.4 to 24.9). Denver's defense played tougher offensive opponents, and Seattle's offense played tougher defensive opponents.

It's also plausible that, like Denver's offense inflated their defensive numbers, Seattle's defense deflated their offensive numbers, as having such a solid group can deter risk on the other side of the ball. Instead of long FG or fourth-down attempts, you're probably more likely to punt the ball away and let your defense stymie 'em.
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With the teams so evenly matched, gimme one of the, if not the, GOAT to get it done for the Broncos. I think Russell Wilson is gonna be a great QB in the league for a long time, but this is PFM's year, baby.
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...yeah, but you clowns still stood your ground defending the throwing neaderthal despite released video of Manning throwing the ball very well at Duke, and medical clearance by his doctor and the Colts doctor, and after private workouts with interested teams. You clowns stood by takes even after Manning signed.....but thanks for playing
Didn't mean to reignite debate with the Orton fanclub. Just pointing out that it wasn't nearly so cut and dried at that moment as it seems in hindsight. Just ask Gary Kubiak.
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You're not interested in debate?

And the stats I was using were the exact same stats as the poster I was responding to...yards/points. By those metrics the Broncos are the lowest rated defense the Seahawks have faced since Nov. 17 against the Vikings. If this is wrong feel free to correct it.

I'm wondering why you didn't directly address my questions. Was the contents of my post hard to understand?

I mention relevant range because Denver's defense tightened up later in the season. And even more recent than that, they're been particularly strong in the playoffs. You could argue small sample size but, I ask you, which has greater relevance, the first two weeks of the season or the most recent two weeks. So you're relevant range that you're amassing stats can be problematic at times.

Additionally, Denver has played most of the top passing QBs in the NFL during the season. Thus skews the data. It's easier to amass yards by passing.
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You have to keep in mind a couple things, though. Denver's offense was so efficient that the fourth quarter was often garbage time for the opposition. That's gonna inflate the PPG metric, and it makes me think Denver is better than their #19 ranking. Also, Denver's rush defense is tied for seventh with both Seattle and SF at 3.9 yards/attempt. This pits Seattle's strength on offense against Denver's strength on defense. Denver played a tougher gaggle of rushing opponents than Seattle did, too.

It's interesting (to me at least) that Denver outscored Seattle by ~10 PPG on offense (37.9 to 26.1) and Seattle played better defense by a margin of ~10 PPG (14.4 to 24.9). Denver's defense played tougher offensive opponents, and Seattle's offense played tougher defensive opponents.

It's also plausible that, like Denver's offense inflated their defensive numbers, Seattle's defense deflated their offensive numbers, as having such a solid group can deter risk on the other side of the ball. Instead of long FG or fourth-down attempts, you're probably more likely to punt the ball away and let your defense stymie 'em.
I'd agree with that. Pete Carroll is willing to play a conservative, field position battle at times believing the Seahawks will ultimately win that battle which can deflate offensive numbers. That was definitely the case in the Saints game in the second half when he played it safe during monsoon-like weather conditions which probably helped keep the Saints in the game. Against Manning and the Broncos I suspect he'll open up the playbook more, especially if Harvin plays.
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You're not interested in debate?

And the stats I was using were the exact same stats as the poster I was responding to...yards/points. By those metrics the Broncos are the lowest rated defense the Seahawks have faced since Nov. 17 against the Vikings. If this is wrong feel free to correct it.
The Broncos held Tom Brady and the Patriots to 16 points and Phillip Rivers and the Chargers to 17 in back to back games, excuse me if Russell Wilson and the Seahags offense doesn't strike fear in my heart. Lynch will be the focus, take him out of the game and I welcome giving the ball to Wilson and letting him have a go at our defense.
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The Broncos held Tom Brady and the Patriots to 16 points and Phillip Rivers and the Chargers to 17 in back to back games, excuse me if Russell Wilson and the Seahags offense doesn't strike fear in my heart. Lynch will be the focus, take him out of the game and I welcome giving the ball to Wilson and letting him have a go at our defense.
Exactly.
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I'm wondering why you didn't directly address my questions. Was the contents of my post hard to understand?

I mention relevant range because Denver's defense tightened up later in the season. And even more recent than that, they're been particularly strong in the playoffs. You could argue small sample size but, I ask you, which has greater relevance, the first two weeks of the season or the most recent two weeks. So you're relevant range that you're amassing stats can be problematic at times.

Additionally, Denver has played most of the top passing QBs in the NFL during the season. Thus skews the data. It's easier to amass yards by passing.
So what you're saying is that when a poster uses full season stats to support his argument that's relevant but when I use the exact same stats that's not relevant?

I'm willing to concede that the Broncos defense has played better recently but teams the Seahawks have recently faced like the 49ers, Saints, and Cardinals have played significantly better defense than the Broncos throughout the season, beginning to end.
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So what you're saying is that when a poster uses full season stats to support his argument that's relevant but when I use the exact same stats that's not relevant?

I'm willing to concede that the Broncos defense has played better recently but teams the Seahawks have recently faced like the 49ers, Saints, and Cardinals have played significantly better defense than the Broncos throughout the season, beginning to end.
I thought my point was clearly stated. I'm not sure why it requires a question, even if it's rhetorical. Try to keep up.

It should also be pointed out that, over the season, Denver played against more QBs that accumulate passing yards, which skews defensive ratings.
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umm, the Broncos won the AFC West which had three teams make the playoffs
The overall record of the NFC West was 42 - 22 compared to 37 - 27 for the AFC West. The NFC West was 30 - 10 against outside competition compared to 25 - 15. San Diego's 9 - 7 record would have put them in 4th place in the NFC West.
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The overall record of the NFC West was 42 - 22 compared to 37 - 27 for the AFC West. The NFC West was 30 - 10 against outside competition compared to 25 - 15. San Diego's 9 - 7 record would have put them in 4th place in the NFC West.
San Diego in the west would have hurt your defensive stats against the pass. Rivers is a better passing QB than Kellen Clemens.
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So, the guy who voted to keep Tebow over Manning is calling someone else a "football retard"?!? Lol! Good stuff as always, Ag. Keep 'em coming! I love me some unintentional comedy. And please, some more of your anecdotal football wisdom! I want some more stories about this dominant KC offense! Lol!
I thought Manning was done. Reports about him losing strength and feeling in his arm made me pessimistic. But good job trying to change the subject. Also I never said KC's offense is dominant. Not sure where you got that.

Oh and yes, you are a football retard. All you ever do is post stats without any understanding of what they mean. It's kind of painful honestly.
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I'd agree with that. Pete Carroll is willing to play a conservative, field position battle at times believing the Seahawks will ultimately win that battle which can deflate offensive numbers. That was definitely the case in the Saints game in the second half when he played it safe during monsoon-like weather conditions which probably helped keep the Saints in the game. Against Manning and the Broncos I suspect he'll open up the playbook more, especially if Harvin plays.
Good luck with that. You need weapons to open things up.
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Seattle needs to play small ball to keep their defense in the game. If Denver gets a 14-0, 17-3 lead going into half it will be very hard for Seattle to overcome it. Especially since their defense will not be as aggressive as it would like to be. At that point curls and slants and draws will eat up the space Seattle's defense will give up.

Of course it is the superbowl, so anything could happen, and probably will.

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