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Old 04-25-2014, 11:04 AM   #1
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Default Some positive foreign policy news?

I see the righties constantly bash Obama and his administration for their supposed weakness and failure on the foreign policy front. Seems only fair to point out some possible progress on some very difficult issues.

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With its latest deadline days away, Syria is close to eliminating its stockpile of chemical weapons, monitors said Tuesday, an improbable accomplishment in the midst of civil war that is likely to diminish further the possibility of international intervention.
http://www.latimes.com/world/middlee...#ixzz2zixzWHZf

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The IAEA report last week confirms that Iran cut its stock of medium enriched uranium by three-quarters. It has completely diluted half its stock down to low enriched uranium, and it has converted half of the remaining amount into reactor fuel, all ahead of schedule. It would be extraordinarily difficult and time-consuming to reverse these processes. In short, Netanyahu’s bomb has been drained. His red line has been implemented. Even if Iran were to break the deal today, it would take it many months to make enough uranium for one bomb, and the world would see them doing it. Nor is there any indication that Iran is about to break off negotiations.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...orking/361066/
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With its latest deadline days away, Syria is close to eliminating its stockpile of chemical weapons, monitors said Tuesday, by using them all on each other
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total bs. more propaganda.
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Meanwhile the leader of the free world would bow to a toaster if given the chance.
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Old 04-25-2014, 01:06 PM   #5
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Turkey Cooks the Books in Syria

Seymour Hersh documents Ankara's efforts to pull the U.S. into the Levant.
By PHILIP GIRALDI • April 23, 2014

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...ooks-in-syria/

My only question is this -- what was the extent of US involvement?

If Girardi is correct that it was the US intelligence community that warned Obama about Turkey's involvement in the chemical attack -- does this mean the US was also involved?

Hersh's sources in the military and intelligence community probably would not admit to it - even if it were true. MHG
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Old 04-25-2014, 01:37 PM   #6
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I see the righties constantly bash Obama and his administration for their supposed weakness and failure on the foreign policy front. Seems only fair to point out some possible progress on some very difficult issues.


http://www.latimes.com/world/middlee...#ixzz2zixzWHZf

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...orking/361066/
don't forget the drone attack on the alqaeda meeting in Yemen. The rightards' blood must be boiling
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A3L11I20140422

OH YEAH! Not to mention that calling chemcial weapons the issue in Syria is a joke. Obama wanted Assad out like libya and he wanted to bomb. The chemical weapons were just something he thought he could use to get support.

But then Putin stepped in and punked him by saying oh we will get the chemcial weapons out. But Assad stays in power, we give him weapons, and millions of refugees hit the desert.

Oh yes a real policy win for Obama. You are kidding right?
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Oh and Iran has more secret sites then you can count. Constantly working on the next secret sit.

So there you have it your two Obama wins are total BS. Not to mention the sanctions and efforts to stop Iran began before him.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...orted/3625929/
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Obama couldn't point to where Syria is on the map. In fact, I'm not sure he could point to the U.S. either.
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I love how the righties have completely forgotten two wars in the wrong places against the wrong people - they actually call that a tough-**** he-man foreign policy.

Two cluster****s, really.
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No the Taliban were our enemy and so was Saddam. Syria had not really been attacking us or fomenting unrest. Egypt and Libya either.

Obama let the whole region fall into chaos. Trying to call Syria a policy win is so wacked. Hey you all are dead, the tyrant in power, and you have to live in Jordan now but hey at least we got that sarin gas out. Oh by the way he just uses old fashioned mustard gas now.

Go play some golf Obama.
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No the Taliban were our enemy and so was Saddam. Syria had not really been attacking us or fomenting unrest. Egypt and Libya either.

Obama let the whole region fall into chaos. Trying to call Syria a policy win is so wacked. Hey you all are dead, the tyrant in power, and you have to live in Jordan now but hey at least we got that sarin gas out. Oh by the way he just uses old fashioned mustard gas now.

Go play some golf Obama.
Good Grief. Saddam the driving force behind terrorism? no evidence for that.

Libya - Obama stayed out as long as he could until the French begged for
help.

Syria - Obama gave Assad every option/opportunity to keep the US out of it, setting as distant a red line as he reasonably could. When Assad still overstepped it he forced Obama to at least respond, which he did, with absolutely nothing.

Of course the real enemy and danger is mostly holed up in Pakistan now, also Yemen, East Africa and some parts of W. Africa. Nobody seems interested in addressing them though.
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Saddam being a bad guy wasn't the reason we went into Iraq.
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Good Grief. Saddam the driving force behind terrorism? no evidence for that.

Libya - Obama stayed out as long as he could until the French begged for
help.

Syria - Obama gave Assad every option/opportunity to keep the US out of it, setting as distant a red line as he reasonably could. When Assad still overstepped it he forced Obama to at least respond, which he did, with absolutely nothing.

Of course the real enemy and danger is mostly holed up in Pakistan now, also Yemen, East Africa and some parts of W. Africa. Nobody seems interested in addressing them though.
Just because the media isn't reporting on it, doesn't mean that US and its allies aren't activity engaged and attempting to solve the problem.
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Yeah, we know, we went into Iraq for the oil as so many liberals, even around here claimed. So how many oil wells does the U.S. own in Iraq? Hmm. Seems China is benefiting more if anybody, but there's still the liberal geniuses who get their "news" from liberal websites that know better.
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Good Grief. Saddam the driving force behind terrorism? no evidence for that.

Libya - Obama stayed out as long as he could until the French begged for
help.

Syria - Obama gave Assad every option/opportunity to keep the US out of it, setting as distant a red line as he reasonably could. When Assad still overstepped it he forced Obama to at least respond, which he did, with absolutely nothing.

Of course the real enemy and danger is mostly holed up in Pakistan now, also Yemen, East Africa and some parts of W. Africa. Nobody seems interested in addressing them though.
No Saddam invaded Kuwait, set fires to a bunch of oil wells, fouled the gulf, shot missiles at israel, openly said he pay people who killed jews and shot at our planes enforcing a UN mandated no fly zone. Gassed his own people blah blah blah. Your right though no enemy to USA or mankind.

Great job by Bush getting rid of that tyrant who would not play ball with the international community. In Libya most of their terror days were behind him. He had given up nukes, gave us info on Iraq centrifuges we used to make a virus for them. He played ball. Mubarek was someone who tried to keep the peace in the region, Obama just let him be overthrown by the Muslim brotherhood. Then he had to backtrack when he saw how ****ed up they were, like he didn't already know?

He's a trainwreck of foreign policy. Not to mention Isreal hates him like the plague now and he won't restart crap on the peace process. In fact in anything he doused it.

Obama is horrible at this and liberals defending him is funny. He makes Bush look like a genius. Hell Obama wanted to attack Syria and could get no support. Bush wanted to attack he could other countries to green light him, and congress to vote for it. He could even get dems to vote for it. Obama is a few months away from being finished as President. Once he loses the Senate he is nuetered like the unic he is.
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Yeah, we know, we went into Iraq for the oil as so many liberals, even around here claimed. So how many oil wells does the U.S. own in Iraq? Hmm. Seems China is benefiting more if anybody, but there's still the liberal geniuses who get their "news" from liberal websites that know better.
We went to Iraq because he was an enemy of the world, and it was only a matter of time. Even Clinton would have liked to have finished him off but he knew he didn't have the clout in his party to get it done.

Bush SR should have finished him off but he got soft at the end and felt man i got out of this thing so clean lets stop now before we have a lot of casulaties. I can see his thinking but it was a mistake. Stormin Normin should have went all the way to Bagdad and killed the whole lot of them.

Bush JR was the one who rid the world of him once and for all. A blessing to all in the region. Is it perfect? hell know most of those countries it will always suck to live in. When religion teaches violence, and the people are heavily relgious, look out.

But Saddam? Oh man who knows what treachery him or his sons would have pulled. Who knows what Bush actually saved us from. Could have been really bad. You could see he is the crazy type that would burn the whole world down if he could. On his death bed, has a nuclear bomb, I could see someone like that launching it off. At least in N korea they aren't religious fanatics that think destorying Isreal would please their god.
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I i forgot though liberals more worried about some coral dying off then they are crazy tyrants like Kim Jong or countries like Iran building nuclear bombs.

I can say with 100% confidence that a crazy tyrant with a bomb is 1000 times more likely to destroy the planet then a few degrees of warming. Go ahead though libbys build that house of straw on stilts!
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Yeah, we know, we went into Iraq for the oil as so many liberals, even around here claimed. So how many oil wells does the U.S. own in Iraq? Hmm. Seems China is benefiting more if anybody, but there's still the liberal geniuses who get their "news" from liberal websites that know better.
The only mistakes of Iraq were disbanding the army completely after the fall of Saddam, and not taking enough oil to pay for our trouble. We should have taken oil.

But leaving our troops out to be policeman on corners was a bad decision by our govt and military. They had all the blood and guts come from that, not taking out Saddam and his Army. Hell what did they have up to that point, a few hundred dead if that.
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Yeah, we know, we went into Iraq for the oil as so many liberals, even around here claimed. So how many oil wells does the U.S. own in Iraq? Hmm. Seems China is benefiting more if anybody, but there's still the liberal geniuses who get their "news" from liberal websites that know better.
I thought it was the nonexistent WMD.
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We went to Iraq because he was an enemy of the world, and it was only a matter of time. Even Clinton would have liked to have finished him off but he knew he didn't have the clout in his party to get it done.

Bush SR should have finished him off but he got soft at the end and felt man i got out of this thing so clean lets stop now before we have a lot of casulaties. I can see his thinking but it was a mistake. Stormin Normin should have went all the way to Bagdad and killed the whole lot of them.

Bush JR was the one who rid the world of him once and for all. A blessing to all in the region. Is it perfect? hell know most of those countries it will always suck to live in. When religion teaches violence, and the people are heavily relgious, look out.

But Saddam? Oh man who knows what treachery him or his sons would have pulled. Who knows what Bush actually saved us from. Could have been really bad. You could see he is the crazy type that would burn the whole world down if he could. On his death bed, has a nuclear bomb, I could see someone like that launching it off. At least in N korea they aren't religious fanatics that think destorying Isreal would please their god.
/\ revisionist history. We went cause GWBS SOLD THE COUNTRY ON WMD. If what you said were true GWBS wouldn't have said word one about WMD.
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The only mistakes of Iraq were disbanding the army completely after the fall of Saddam, and not taking enough oil to pay for our trouble. We should have taken oil.

But leaving our troops out to be policeman on corners was a bad decision by our govt and military. They had all the blood and guts come from that, not taking out Saddam and his Army. Hell what did they have up to that point, a few hundred dead if that.
Mistakes that would've never happened if GWBS didn't make the colossal **** up of invading Iraq to begin with.
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I thought it was the nonexistent WMD.


And now the Right Wingers believe it was the libruls in Congress at fault.

Those mofos will believe anything their handlers tell them.
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Don't forget the strict sanctions on INDIVIDUAL people in Russia to try to stop Putin from invading more European countries.

And the L.A. Times, really?
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lol at cutthemdown and his rampant stupidity and frontier gibberish. Iraq is widely considered one of the worst foreign policy disasters ever and he gives GWB a high score for that fiasco yet criticizes Obama for things he both doesn't remotely understand and that haven't fully played out yet. Had Obama made some mistakes and missteps? Certainly. But the over the top biased perspective on these topics is a joke.
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