How many of our 2013 starters would start for the 97 team?

[TonyR]

Vince Wilfork. Tommy Kelly. Jerod Mayo. Sebastian Vollmer. Rob Gronkowski. Nate Solder. On Sunday, the Patriots added Devin McCourty and Shane Vereen to their list of injured players and still managed to beat the Ravens, 41-7, in Baltimore. It must have been satisfying in some way after losing twice to the Ravens last year, including that loss in the AFC Championship Game, but even more so that the Patriots did this with a shell of their typical roster.

Normally, it's easy to chalk up this sort of New England win to what Tom Brady does on the field as a Hall of Fame–caliber quarterback, but Brady had a quiet day, going 14-of-26 for 172 yards and a touchdown. No, this was a day to congratulate Belichick, who got contributions out of players nobody else wanted. LeGarrette Blount ran for 76 yards and two touchdowns on 16 carries. Julian Edelman — who couldn't even get a million dollars on the open market this offseason — had a seven-catch day. Belichick coaxed meaningful reps from the likes of Sealver Siliga and Chris Jones at defensive tackle. He started Michael Hoomanawanui, Matthew Mulligan, Aaron Dobson, Marcus Cannon, and rookie free agent Josh Kline on offense. And those afterthoughts beat the defending Super Bowl champions by 34 points in their house. Good coaches can take yours and beat his; Belichick might just be able to take nobody's and beat yours.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ll-week-16-nfl

[BroncosfanGuy]

Originally Posted by TonyR

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ll-week-16-nfl

interesting thread to post patriot fan blog stuff

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by BroncosfanGuy

interesting thread to post patriot fan blog stuff

If you go back a page or two there was some discussion about Brady, and about whether Brady made Belichick or vice versa. And Barnwell isn't remotely a "Patriot fan blog". In fact if you read the linked article you'll see that Manning gets higher praise in it than Brady.

[BMORE]

But but Broncobuff said Bellicheat was made by Brady.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by BMORE

But but Broncobuff said Bellicheat was made by Brady.

It's a chicken/egg argument. It will never be settled. They're both very good at what they do, that we know for sure. That and most of us hate them both.

[ATL-Eric]

1998 team stats

Team Statistics
DENVER BRONCOS OPPONENTS
TOTAL FIRST DOWNS 347 283
FIRST DOWNS (RUSHING-PASSING-BY-PENALTY) 135-186-26 80-183-20
THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS 90/207 88/225
FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS 4/10 10/19
TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS 6,092 4,935
OFFENSE (PLAYS-AVERAGE YARDS) 1,041-5.9 999-4.9
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 2,468 1,287
RUSHING (PLAYS-AVERAGE YARDS) 525-4.7 356-3.6
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 3,624 3,648
PASSING (COMP-ATT-INT-AVG) 290-491-14-7.8 345-596-19-6.7
SACKS 47.0 25.0
FIELD GOALS 23/27 14/20
TOUCHDOWNS 62 38
TOUCHDOWNS (RUSHING-PASSING-RETURNS-DEFENSIVE) 26-32-1-3 8-28-0-2
TIME OF POSSESSION 32:08 27:52
TURNOVER RATIO



2013 team stats
Team Statistics
DENVER BRONCOS OPPONENTS
TOTAL FIRST DOWNS 407 322
FIRST DOWNS (RUSHING-PASSING-BY-PENALTY) 98-274-35 87-195-40
THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS 86/190 78/205
FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS 8/9 4/14
TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS 6,859 5,441
OFFENSE (PLAYS-AVERAGE YARDS) 1,083-6.3 1,014-5.4
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 1,749 1,562
RUSHING (PLAYS-AVERAGE YARDS) 432-4 400-3.9
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 5,110 3,879
PASSING (COMP-ATT-INT-AVG) 427-634-10-8.2 336-575-17-7.2
SACKS 39.0 17.0
FIELD GOALS 23/24 23/25
TOUCHDOWNS 72 45
TOUCHDOWNS (RUSHING-PASSING-RETURNS-DEFENSIVE) 16-51-3-2 15-27-1-2
TIME OF POSSESSION 30:11 30:41
TURNOVER RATIO

[Arkie]

Originally Posted by TonyR

It's a chicken/egg argument. It will never be settled. They're both very good at what they do, that we know for sure. That and most of us hate them both.

The whole could be greater than the sum of its parts. Brady has been in the right situation for his entire career. We may never know if Brady can take another coach's team to the Super Bowl like Elway did with Reeves/Shanny, or Manning with Dungy/Caldwell/(Fox maybe?).

[BroncosfanGuy]

Originally Posted by TonyR

If you go back a page or two there was some discussion about Brady, and about whether Brady made Belichick or vice versa. And Barnwell isn't remotely a "Patriot fan blog". In fact if you read the linked article you'll see that Manning gets higher praise in it than Brady.

ah, got it. I saw it was Bill Simmons' site and read the Pat love. couldn't figure out what it was doing in here. my bad.