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Old 12-31-2013, 09:12 AM   #1
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Default Russia bombing - prelude to Sochi?

the prime suspect: Bandar Bush

http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/12/vo...main-suspects/
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:56 AM   #2
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is this pay back?

Recall, last August Bandar threatened Putin with terrorism. Bandar wanted Putin to step aside and allow the destruction of Syria.

Putin told Bandar where to shove it -- and two weeks later -- after the staged false flag chemical attack, rose to the occasion.

Putin's leadership forced Obama to back down and may have averted a nuclear showdown over Syria.

But the Saudis were not pleased.
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Old 12-31-2013, 08:17 PM   #3
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Obama, Kerry, both got punked hard by Putin. 20-30 years from now when people study Presidents Obama will be a joke. Putin let Assad weasel his way out because Kerry made an off hand comment about giving up chemical weapons to avoid an attack.

The way they tried to spin it will work with the media in 2013, because they are lap dogs. But come a few decades when no one is invested in Obama he will be a rated one of the worst Presidents we have ever had.
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Old 12-31-2013, 08:30 PM   #4
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Obama, Kerry, both got punked hard by Putin. 20-30 years from now when people study Presidents Obama will be a joke. Putin let Assad weasel his way out because Kerry made an off hand comment about giving up chemical weapons to avoid an attack.

The way they tried to spin it will work with the media in 2013, because they are lap dogs. But come a few decades when no one is invested in Obama he will be a rated one of the worst Presidents we have ever had.
Coming from a guy who says Bush was a good president.

Hitting the sauce a little early tonight, I see.
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Coming from a guy who says Bush was a good president.

Hitting the sauce a little early tonight, I see.
How can you tell the difference between sober cut and drunk cut?

You can't.
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Putin would never have agreed to the suggestion to disarm his last ME client state, Syria, without the threat of US military action.

The Russians knew exactly the extent and location of the chemical weapons.....they were the main supplier.

They were also alert to the likelihood of those weapons turning up in the hands of Muslim extremists in Russia.

The prospect of a 'nuclear showdown' over Syria is just your wet dream, Gaffney. Not a hope in hell that was going to happen. But keep dreaming.
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So does Gaff like Putin as well?
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So does Gaff like Putin as well?
Depends, does Putin hate the Jews?
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Putin would never have agreed to the suggestion to disarm his last ME client state, Syria, without the threat of US military action.

The Russians knew exactly the extent and location of the chemical weapons.....they were the main supplier.

They were also alert to the likelihood of those weapons turning up in the hands of Muslim extremists in Russia.

The prospect of a 'nuclear showdown' over Syria is just your wet dream, Gaffney. Not a hope in hell that was going to happen. But keep dreaming.
Leave it to Brit to miss the point.

Here's the story from last August about Bandar's "offer" to Putin. Credit Putin for refusing to go along with the destruction of Syria.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ops-Syria.html
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The Russian-Saudi Showdown at Sochi
December 31, 2013

If Putin believes the recent bombing was sponsored by the Saudis as pay back -- will he retaliate?

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/31...down-at-sochi/
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Leave it to Brit to miss the point.

Here's the story from last August about Bandar's "offer" to Putin. Credit Putin for refusing to go along with the destruction of Syria.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ops-Syria.html
I didn't miss the point at all, however, you missed the source of the 'story' and the crystal clear Russian attitude towards it's client state, Syria.

Here, I'll underline the important part of the story from the Telegraph link.

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As-Safir, which has Hezbollah links and is hostile to the Saudis.

As-Safir said Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord. “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” he allegedly said.
Not even the Saudis are stupid enough to threaten the Russians with terrorism. As-Safir, a Hezbollah mouthpiece, is the SOLE SOURCE of that 'story.' Try looking beyond your agenda.

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It was never Assad that used them. It was the rebels hoping to draw the USA in. Assad didn't need chemical weapons to take them out because they are poorly armed. Shoulder fired missiles help but in the end helicopters and tanks win out over troops with mortars and shoulder fired weapons.
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It was never Assad that used them. It was the rebels hoping to draw the USA in. Assad didn't need chemical weapons to take them out because they are poorly armed. Shoulder fired missiles help but in the end helicopters and tanks win out over troops with mortars and shoulder fired weapons.
So it was rebels hoping to draw the US in, the US didn't get involved, and now you're berating them for it.

Good to know cut is still cut.

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It was never Assad that used them. It was the rebels hoping to draw the USA in. Assad didn't need chemical weapons to take them out because they are poorly armed. Shoulder fired missiles help but in the end helicopters and tanks win out over troops with mortars and shoulder fired weapons.
I don't believe that is accurate. What surfaced is BOTH sides used chemical weapons and the backlash of when we cherry-picked evidence to try to support intervention is what caused us to jump back like we just touched a hot stove.
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I don't believe that is accurate. What surfaced is BOTH sides used chemical weapons and the backlash of when we cherry-picked evidence to try to support intervention is what caused us to jump back like we just touched a hot stove.
There is no evidence Assad used them. He has them - but as a deterrent to Israel's nukes/chem/bio weapons.

Assad was winning the insurrection using conventional weapons. Why would he risk the world's displeasure by using chemical weapons? Whatever Assad is, he is not stupid.
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There is no evidence Assad used them. He has them - but as a deterrent to Israel's nukes/chem/bio weapons.

Assad was winning the insurrection using conventional weapons. Why would he risk the world's displeasure by using chemical weapons? Whatever Assad is, he is not stupid.
Yes, Assad did not say to use them. But they were used by his forces under his name according to international watchdogs. He is accountable.

And how is he winning? Do you truly believe he or his family will ever have the ability to rule as his father did? All he will win in this is a stay of execution until the next rebellion or if he abdicates.
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No way Obama looks good any way you shake it. Either he let the rebels lose and be slaughtered after he said he would help, or he wanted to help them but got punked by Putin and thwarted.
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No way Obama looks good any way you shake it. Either he let the rebels lose and be slaughtered after he said he would help, or he wanted to help them but got punked by Putin and thwarted.
It's a lose/lose for him that's for sure. If he helped the rebels immediately he would be seen as instigating a conflict and possibly starting a proxy conflict with Russia. If he doesn't then it was obvious the rebellion would become radicalized and he loses the support of our middle east allies and probably loses a democratic Syria as well.

Only way it could have been successful is if he stayed clear of Libya.
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Yes, Assad did not say to use them. But they were used by his forces under his name according to international watchdogs. He is accountable.

And how is he winning? Do you truly believe he or his family will ever have the ability to rule as his father did? All he will win in this is a stay of execution until the next rebellion or if he abdicates.
Wrong. The UN mission had no mandate to determine who used the chemical weapons. Their hands were tied -- and this is the standard way to neuter an investigation. Render the truth unobtainable.

Actually, there is a lot of evidence that S Arabia supplied chemical weapons to its al Qaeda fighters in Syria. This is known.
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It's a lose/lose for him that's for sure. If he helped the rebels immediately he would be seen as instigating a conflict and possibly starting a proxy conflict with Russia. If he doesn't then it was obvious the rebellion would become radicalized and he loses the support of our middle east allies and probably loses a democratic Syria as well.

Only way it could have been successful is if he stayed clear of Libya.
Except that when historians look back they reward the Presidents who could make the tough decisions. IMO Obama did exactly what you said on quite a few issues. Not talk about it, do nothing, and hope it goes away.
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