Nelson Mandela Dead at 95 (M)

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Johnykbr

No, no, no, no, no. Bush did not screw up Katrina. Trust me, all my in-laws live there, I spend several months a year visiting, and I got married there. It was ENTIRELY on Governor Blanco. It is the governor of the state that has to allow in federal aid and she refused to allow it for some unknown but surely political reason. In fact, Bush was being pressured by members of the LA state assembly to go so far as to declare LA of being a secessionist state so he could override her. Former mayor Nagin, as liberal as you can get, even said that it was on her and praised Bush.

Even Nagin blasted her and praised Bush.

Also, I'm legitimately curious, how is Bush responsible for California's energy crisis? Is everything done in CA by propositions and direct voting? It seems to me that being governor in California has got to be one of the worst positions anyone could get.

It's the federal government's responsibility to make sure California is provided as much low-priced unicorn juice as needed, no matter how catastrophic their own energy policy happens to be.

[Fear the Hawk]

Originally Posted by Johnykbr

No, no, no, no, no. Bush did not screw up Katrina. Trust me, all my in-laws live there, I spend several months a year visiting, and I got married there. It was ENTIRELY on Governor Blanco. It is the governor of the state that has to allow in federal aid and she refused to allow it for some unknown but surely political reason. In fact, Bush was being pressured by members of the LA state assembly to go so far as to declare LA of being a secessionist state so he could override her. Former mayor Nagin, as liberal as you can get, even said that it was on her and praised Bush.

Even Nagin blasted her and praised Bush.

Also, I'm legitimately curious, how is Bush responsible for California's energy crisis? Is everything done in CA by propositions and direct voting? It seems to me that being governor in California has got to be one of the worst positions anyone could get.

Bush was not responsible directly for the disastrous de-regulation but his response was utterly incompetent.

SAVVY SELLERS. The Bush Administration is not responsible for California's self-inflicted wounds, but it is responsible for failing to impose a temporary cap on wholesale electricity prices in order to control their manipulation by a handful of generators and natural gas suppliers, many headquartered in Texas. Economists have long recognized that tight conditions in electricity markets put sellers in a very strong position to exercise market power by withholding supply to drive prices upward. There is compelling evidence that savvy sellers are doing just that in California; indeed, there is no other explanation for the tenfold increase in wholesale prices in less than one year.

http://www.businessweek.com/stories/...ls-the-economy

It infuriated me when, in the wake abundant evidence that consumers were being ripped off by Enron and the like, Bush's response was (essentially) "whatever. The market will fix it." What an idiot.

[mhgaffney]

As for Katrina --- it is my understanding that FEMA demanded the Louisiana governor surrender control of the state to FEMA -- and that the governor resisted -- to her credit.

Bush is responsible because he appointed an incompetent moron to run FEMA.

MHG

[mhgaffney]

Where is Palestine’s Mandela?

By Alan Hart

The answer to my headline question is that he, Marwan Barghouti, is in an Israeli jail where he has been since his arrest in Ramallah by an IDF unit in 2002, after which, in 2004, he was sentenced to five life terms in prison. Some months before his arrest one of Israel’s security agencies tried and failed to assassinate him. A missile was fired at his bodyguard’s car and killed the bodyguard. (If the attempt on Barghouti’s life had succeeded, his killers would not have been brought to justice because as well as bulldozing Palestinian homes and stealing Palestinian land and water, Israel kills, murders, with impunity).

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle37089.htm

[Fear the Hawk]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

As for Katrina --- it is my understanding that FEMA demanded the Louisiana governor surrender control of the state to FEMA -- and that the governor resisted -- to her credit.

Bush is responsible because he appointed an incompetent moron to run FEMA.

MHG

3. FEMA Director Michael Brown, who resigned over his handling of the response, later told a group of students that the White House only wanted to federalize the response in Louisiana, where the governor was a Democrat, and not in Republican-led Mississippi in order to embarrass Louisiana officials. Brown said the White House believed they had a chance to “rub [Kathleen Blanco’s] nose in it.” The Bush administration denied political considerations played a role in the response.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz2nDRqXyI1

[W*GS]

Anybody else reading/read "Days of Fire"?

[Johnykbr]

Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

Bush was not responsible directly for the disastrous de-regulation but his response was utterly incompetent.



http://www.businessweek.com/stories/...ls-the-economy

It infuriated me when, in the wake abundant evidence that consumers were being ripped off by Enron and the like, Bush's response was (essentially) "whatever. The market will fix it." What an idiot.

Interesting article, I was not aware of that.

[Johnykbr]

Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz2nDRqXyI1

While the storm landed as an actual cat. 4 in Mississippi and wiped out entire towns, the first response was to NO where a lot more people were affected. FEMA was already on scene but had underestimated the amount of supplies necessary. Bush "pleaded" with Nagin and Blanco to designate a mandatory evacuation but it was declared too late and was hardly enforced. What some people believe is that she didn't want the National Guard to come in under federal control while the White House and FEMA didn't want it coming in under state control since Baton Rouge was hit pretty damn hard as well.

[Pony Boy]

The president of the United States, in front of 91 world leaders, the mourning nation of South Africa and Obama’s clearly furious wife, Michelle, the president flirted, giggled, whispered like a recalcitrant child and made a damn fool of himself at first sight of Denmark’s voluptuously curvy and married prime minister, Helle Thorning-Schmidt
http://nypost.com/2013/12/12/obamas-...is-a-disgrace/

[houghtam]

Translation:

"How dare that uppity black man talk to one of our white women!"

Where were you when Bush was trying to cop a feel on Angela Merkel?

Thought so.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Translation:

"How dare that uppity black man talk to one of our white women!"

Where were you when Bush was trying to cop a feel on Angela Merkel?

Thought so.

Not sure where I was but pretty sure Bush and Merkel weren't at a memorial service.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Not sure where I was but pretty sure Bush and Merkel weren't at a memorial service.

Say it with me everyone!

Dou-ble stand-ard! Clap! Clap! Clap-clap-clap!

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Say it with me everyone!

Dou-ble stand-ard! Clap! Clap! Clap-clap-clap!

Say it with me everyone!

"I did not have sex with that woman"

[BroncoBeavis]

This is one of the better thread derailments I've seen in awhile.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

The president of the United States, in front of 91 world leaders, the mourning nation of South Africa and Obama’s clearly furious wife, Michelle, the president flirted, giggled, whispered like a recalcitrant child and made a damn fool of himself at first sight of Denmark’s voluptuously curvy and married prime minister, Helle Thorning-Schmidt
http://nypost.com/2013/12/12/obamas-...is-a-disgrace/

The pic stories were covered extensively after they caused a stir.....especially amongst the tabloids and other 'the black guy is embarrassing us' sources.
Perpetuating the 'stupid' is just, well, 'stupid.'

Michelle Obama was not unhappy during Nelson Mandela 'selfie', photographer insists
AFP photographer who took picture of Barack Obama, David Cameron and
Denmark's Helle Thorning-Schmidt, insists Michelle Obama had been smiling only moments before

However, it was a misleading image capturing a natural and relaxed atmosphere, according to Roberto Schmidt, the AFP photographer responsible for the snap.

"Anyway, suddenly this woman pulled out her mobile phone and took a photo of herself smiling with Cameron and the US president," he wrote in a
blog for AFP. "I captured the scene reflexively. All around me in the stadium, South Africans were dancing, singing and laughing to honour their
departed leader. It was more like a carnival atmosphere, not at all morbid. "The ceremony had already gone on for two hours and would last another
two. The atmosphere was totally relaxed – I didn’t see anything shocking in my viewfinder, president of the US or not. We are in Africa.

"I later read on social media that Michelle Obama seemed to be rather peeved on seeing the Danish prime minister take the picture. But photos can
lie. In reality, just a few seconds earlier the first lady was herself joking with those around her, Cameron and Schmidt included. Her stern look was
captured by chance."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...r-insists.html

[mhgaffney]

Michelle has plenty of other reasons to be unhappy (putting it mildly) with her hubby. By now she must be under no illusions what sort of man he is -- which is to say -- a puppet of the CIA and financial elite.

[mhgaffney]

lets get this thread back on track...

The average American has no awareness of Cuba's key role in helping to end Apartheid.

Beyond The Propaganda
The Secret History of How Cuba Helped End Apartheid in South Africa

Video and Transcript - Democracy Now!

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle37088.htm

[BroncoBeavis]

Great. More DickTater fellatio. Just what the doctor ordered.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

lets get this thread back on track...

The average American has no awareness of Cuba's key role in helping to end Apartheid.

Beyond The Propaganda
The Secret History of How Cuba Helped End Apartheid in South Africa

Video and Transcript - Democracy Now!

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle37088.htm

You now want to turn a funeral thread into a pro-Cuban propaganda thread and that's 'getting back on track.'?

Stick with the 'Nazis weren't so bad' derailment of your own threads

[Pony Boy]

Well the thread is about Mandela and you just can't make this stuff up .... she thought he was giving baseball signs......

[txtebow]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Well the thread is about Mandela and you just can't make this stuff up .... she thought he was giving baseball signs......

[txtebow]

Nelson Mandela is dead, and South Africa without “Madiba” will be much the same as it was before: a wreck of a country with slowly collapsing infrastructure, high crime, and the slow-motion genocide of Afrikaners.


And who is currently "leading" South Africa?


THIS GUY: JACOB ZUMA




Today, the State President of South Africa is a polygamous Zulu who thinks you can wash away HIV with a shower, and he’s probably better than whoever is coming next.