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Old 12-10-2013, 04:33 PM   #301
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Tim Tebow wasn't facing off with Peyton Manning, nomsayin?
I do, but the excuse list is just too long at this point. It's Manning, the defense, the opposing defense, Jake Plummer, QB injuries, QB immaturity, This Coordinators fault, that coordinators fault, I didn't want this QB, the owner is meddlesome, my QB was hurt.

Our previous discussion made it clear that I thought that the Skins season was going to go down this road (no need to rehash). I didn't think it was going to get this Dramatic though. At some point you have to take a step back and realize that he may be a master of X's and O's, But he is also his own worst enemy when it comes to building a staff and maintaining the team (especially the defense).
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Steve Young on Manning in Washington with Mike (when Peyton was a FA).
Well Steve Young also said he wouldn't change Tebow's throwing motion and that he would be a very good passer, so....
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Old 12-10-2013, 05:28 PM   #303
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Actually, they do all the time. Mark Sanchez played in back to back AFC title games. We have a list of average to good QB's that made it to the super bowl, though admittedly a smaller list of those that won it. Jake plummer won as many playoff games as a cardinal as he did with the Broncos. Rex Grossman made it to the superbowl....and he's currently the 3rd stringer on Wash. Fox matched Shanahan with one playoff win with Tim Tebow, on top of taking Jake Delhomme to the superbowl. Fisher won a playoff game with Kerry Collins...Jim Fassel rode the same QB to the Superbowl. Our Defensive Coordinator has won a playoff game more recently than Shanahan and with Gerrard at QB.

So tell me again how we shouldn't expect more than one playoff win in 15 years without an elite QB.
All I'm saying is it's much easier to win with an elite QB. What do you suppose his record would be his 4 years in DC with Manning, Brees, Brady or Rodgers at QB?? Shanny obviously has issues. Slowick?? Seriously?? What does he see in that guy that's so damn special. Worst D I've ever seen when he was here.
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Never. Bowlen scapegoated him for his own penny pinching faults.

Shanny should never ever acknowledge that POS
Looking at what has happened with Shanny's career, I don't get how you hold onto this bat-**** crazy opinion at this point. But then that's the whole point of being bat-**** crazy am I right?
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Well Steve Young also said he wouldn't change Tebow's throwing motion and that he would be a very good passer, so....
funny, I recall steve young saying he watched TT in camp (his last camp in denver) and after watching him throw the entire day said he honestly had to ask himself,
"is this guy really left handed/ "
Young is not a viscious abrassive man, he is not looking for a punch-line at the expense of another.
But young may have said those things and had a change of opinion, just like shanny. I have no doubt shanny endeared himself to young when he was a young, hard working Oc / QB coach looking to reclaim his career in S. F.
Buit the shanny of 2000 and beyond is not a worthwhile HC.
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To that, I would say: GUESS WHAT RG3?? - you don't get to CHOOSE who you work with when you're a 2nd year QB that hasn't done or proven anything in the NFL yet.
To which I would say it's a joke that Shanny's son has the job and everyone with any sense knows it.
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All I'm saying is it's much easier to win with an elite QB. What do you suppose his record would be his 4 years in DC with Manning, Brees, Brady or Rodgers at QB?? Shanny obviously has issues. Slowick?? Seriously?? What does he see in that guy that's so damn special. Worst D I've ever seen when he was here.
RG3 has the potential to be an elite QB once he is free and clear of shanny.
I would love for his replacement to be Kubes! what better way for there to be a demonstration who the real QB guru is !
Kubes torned shaub in to a pro bowl QB, what QB has shanny developed into a pro bowler?
emphasis on developed !
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To that, I would say: GUESS WHAT RG3?? - you don't get to CHOOSE who you work with when you're a 2nd year QB that hasn't done or proven anything in the NFL yet.
tell it to jay cutler. or josh freeman
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I do, but the excuse list is just too long at this point. It's Manning, the defense, the opposing defense, Jake Plummer, QB injuries, QB immaturity, This Coordinators fault, that coordinators fault, I didn't want this QB, the owner is meddlesome, my QB was hurt.

Our previous discussion made it clear that I thought that the Skins season was going to go down this road (no need to rehash). I didn't think it was going to get this Dramatic though. At some point you have to take a step back and realize that he may be a master of X's and O's, But he is also his own worst enemy when it comes to building a staff and maintaining the team (especially the defense).
no, not the mastermind, he's a swell guy.
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As this thread continues, I keep thinking to myself - Thank God for John Fox lol
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All I'm saying is it's much easier to win with an elite QB. What do you suppose his record would be his 4 years in DC with Manning, Brees, Brady or Rodgers at QB?? Shanny obviously has issues. Slowick?? Seriously?? What does he see in that guy that's so damn special. Worst D I've ever seen when he was here.
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It's hilarious how the Rev and Socal refuse to admit Shanahan has a single flaw. Even the greatest coaches had weaknesses. But not according to the Rev and Socal. According to them Shanahan is amazing at everything and every player, coach, unit and team that performed poorly was all someone else's fault, despite Shanahan controlling everything. He's the greatest coach on all sides of the ball and the greatest GM who was sabotaged by all three owners, bad players and bad assistants - he was tricked somehow into working with all those sinister people.
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Looking at what has happened with Shanny's career, I don't get how you hold onto this bat-**** crazy opinion at this point. But then that's the whole point of being bat-**** crazy am I right?
What does that have to do with the fact that Bowlen went cheap for almost a whole decade. I've posted the data from USA Today and rebutted the alternate explanations and there is ten years of it. It is very detailed. Feel free to use the search function.

As Willy Wonka would say, it's all there black and white, clear as crystal. You lose. Good day,sir!

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What I was saying is I don't get why Bowlen and Shanny can't mend fences. I understand Shanny would be pissed for awhile but, get over it. Bowlen paid him millions of dollars. A guy that got fired but, knew he'd coach somewhere else whenever he wanted. Mike is acting like he went from millions of dollars to 7 bucks an hour or something I'd get why any bitterness would remain in that scenerio but. not going big bucks to big bucks to me that is childish after several years.

I'm not ragging on Rev or Socal on this subject just my view is all.

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What I was saying is I don't get why Bowlen and Shanny can't mend fences. I understand Shanny would be pissed for awhile but, get over it. Bowlen paid him millions of dollars. A guy that got fired but, knew he'd coach somewhere else whenever he wanted. Mike is acting like he went from millions of dollars to 7 bucks an hour or something I'd get why any bitterness would remain in that scenerio but. not going big bucks to big bucks seems childish.
Because Bowlen is a chicken**** two faced piece of crap. Dude went the lion's share of a decade spending in the lower third of the league and ****ing complained that we were only .500 the last three years knowing damn well he tied a hand behind Mike's back. He loves to think of himself and portray himself as this benevolent owner who runs things first class when in reality it's not.

And you want Shanny to mend fences with him? Shanny brought him hundreds of millions more in revenues than he took from him. He doesn't owe Bowlen anything. If its not for him, he doesn't have 2 titles and maybe not a stadium either. Bowlen is a lowlife, Shanny doesn't need to drop to his level.
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Because Bowlen is a chicken**** two faced piece of crap. Dude went the lion's share of a decade spending in the lower third of the league and ****ing complained that we were only .500 the last three years knowing damn well he tied a hand behind Mike's back. He loves to think of himself and portray himself as this benevolent owner who runs things first class when in reality it's not.

And you want Shanny to mend fences with him? Shanny brought him hundreds of millions more in revenues than he took from him. He doesn't owe Bowlen anything. If its not for him, he doesn't have 2 titles and maybe not a stadium either. Bowlen is a lowlife, Shanny doesn't need to drop to his level.
Point taken but, give Bowlen alittle credit he also paid huge money on avg players Mike wanted that failed too. While I blame Bowlen too some I can understand why he tightened his belt a bit for a few years after dumping big bucks on FA's that bombed. Ask Wash they tried that too and look what its done for them. I loved Shanny too and always will but, it was time to part ways. I would think in ten yrs you could bolster ST's and a D to be good.


Look what he has done in Wash with a billionaire owner and a weak NFC East 3-10.

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yeh Bowlen is a cheapskate lowlife...
I remember that nickle and dime funeral he put on for darrant williams.
stoopid carriage and six white horses he probably got at wal-mart.
and flying every member of the team and franchise to attend, what a low class phoney that pat bowlen is.
cheapskate, resenting paying guys like gardner and carter millions.
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yeh Bowlen is a cheapskate lowlife...
I remember that nickle and dime funeral he put on for darrant williams.
stoopid carriage and six white horses he probably got at wal-mart.
and flying every member of the team and franchise to attend, what a low class phoney that pat bowlen is.
cheapskate, resenting paying guys like gardner and carter millions.
There were misses no doubt but if you look at the data....it reflects poorly on Bowlen and can't be explained away by dead money.
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There were misses no doubt but if you look at the data....it reflects poorly on Bowlen and can't be explained away by dead money.
"dead money" is that your response to him picking up the tab for darrants funeral?
funny how a guy who is being called cheap was also fined for circumventing the cap, thats just so weird.
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There were misses no doubt but if you look at the data....it reflects poorly on Bowlen and can't be explained away by dead money.
Sure it can. You're full of complete horse **** on this and I think deep down you know it.

Pat Bowlen has never told any coach no. Ever. That's a fact. Shanahan leaks everything that pisses him off about an owner to the press through Schefter and others. None of them said anything. Ever.

And if he really "hates" Bowlen as you suggest, why hasn't it come out since then? He's leaking like a faucet right now and every single detail about what he disdains about the Redskins organization from owner to players is coming out. You pointed out based on "the look in his eyes" that you could tell Shanahan "totally hates Bowlen" now. If that's true, and if Bowlen really sabotaged him, why has nothing been said by anyone (except you) based on a USA today report that misses several factors?

The lack of cap spending wasn't dead money, it's that Shanahan drafted so poorly there wasn't any one worth spending it on. The cap ballooned out of control during the 2000's so any player worth a crap was never allowed to get to free agency. It's still that way with a stagnate cap ceiling as is. So Shanahan was left with the cast offs and he had us over-paying for Daniel Graham, IHOP, Travis Henry and others - players that were all damaged goods and had major flaws.

Point to the instance where Bowlen said no. Point to a single free agent we went after that Shanahan didn't get because Bowlen stopped him. You can't. And can you imagine the **** storm of how pissed Shanahan would be if that were true? You know he wouldn't tolerate that for a second.

It never happened, Socal. You're full of **** on this. Like so full your teeth are brown.
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"Look what he has done in Wash with a billionaire owner and a weak NFC East 3-10."


well thats just because snyder let Rg3's fiance use his limo !
if she had called a cab, the skins would be 9-4 !
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"dead money" is that your response to him picking up the tab for darrants funeral?
funny how a guy who is being called cheap was also fined for circumventing the cap, thats just so weird.
Look you lowlife POS, how does him spending for a funeral have anything to do with operating costs? Shameful you would even attempt to use that analogy.

I have no idea if SoCal is right or wrong on shanny's hands being tied here, always seemed like we signed the guys who came to visit, bit there was definitley a period where they were no longer getting the top FA's and going middle of the road/higher risk reward types.

Also, the circumventing the cap was to save Pat money you stupid SOB! They were deferring salary. Do you have any clue what you are talking about?
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Look you lowlife POS, how does him spending for a funeral have anything to do with operating costs? Shameful you would even attempt to use that analogy.

I have no idea if SoCal is right or wrong on shanny's hands being tied here, always seemed like we signed the guys who came to visit, bit there was definitley a period where they were no longer getting the top FA's and going middle of the road/higher risk reward types.

Also, the circumventing the cap was to save Pat money you stupid SOB! They were deferring salary. Do you have any clue what you are talking about?
Blue, so you want me to ignore this type of behavior and empower his activity?
yes I see that as an excellent gameplan to put this new poster on the right path on how to treat a fellow member of the mane.
lets put this guy in charge of public relations.
welcome all you lowlife POS ! thanks for joining the 'mane you stupid SOB !
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Look you lowlife POS, how does him spending for a funeral have anything to do with operating costs? Shameful you would even attempt to use that analogy.

I have no idea if SoCal is right or wrong on shanny's hands being tied here, always seemed like we signed the guys who came to visit, bit there was definitley a period where they were no longer getting the top FA's and going middle of the road/higher risk reward types.

Also, the circumventing the cap was to save Pat money you stupid SOB! They were deferring salary. Do you have any clue what you are talking about?
I have a dozen negative reps from this guy laced with vulgarity and personal attacks. I should just ignore him like the cheifs fans ignored the dying man in their parking lot.?
lovely, effective strategy for sure.
my silence will surely put an end to it.
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