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Old 12-10-2013, 09:19 AM   #276
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shaNNY HAS ALWAYS TAKEN CREDIT FOR EVERY SUCCESS AND FOUND A SCAPEGOAT for every failure.
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Old 12-10-2013, 09:21 AM   #277
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thanks for confirming exactly what I have said all along,'
shanny needs a superstar QB to make him look good.
shanny NEEDS a QB who can CREATE when the play called breaks down.
if you read youngs words, he is actually praising the QBs that succeed with shanny, not shanny !
shanny is a QB coach, he is NOT a worthy HC !
shanny does understand QBs and WR, he is clueless about everything else!
see his D and ST for consistent examples of shannys incompetence !
the brilliant play caller isnt even calling plays, he leaves that to his kid... brilliant !
Please point to all the other extremely successful coaches who did not need a superstar QB to be great. A list of 3-5 would suffice.
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Old 12-10-2013, 09:23 AM   #278
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and this quote is an eerie foreshadowing of what happened to RG3 last year!
did shanny protect RG3, or did he send RG3 out on to the field and expect the rookie on a bad wheel to protect the coach and his play-calling?
shanny is a self serving turd !
the way he has abandoned his team and playersa this seaSON JUST CONFIRMS THAT! if he does get another gig, shanny will just erase all doubt!
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Old 12-10-2013, 09:30 AM   #279
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Please point to all the other extremely successful coaches who did not need a superstar QB to be great. A list of 3-5 would suffice.
lombardi, bart starr was no superstar
joe gibbs
mike ditka, jim mcmahon, hello?
chucky in tampa, can you even name his QB?
jeff hostetler and phil simms?
can you name the third string QB that won the SB with the raiders and madden?
these are just off the top of my dilfer head.
It takes more than a QB and a HC to win a SB, shanny put together a great TEAM of players and coaches in 1995. he was young, hungry and hard working. he learned how to run an ORG from bill WALSH and the 9ers. He brought KUBIAK with him to help incorporate this concepts in denver.
KUBIAK put together the gameplans
kubiak chose the plays and order of the 20 play script. shanny, just took all the credit
shanny got lazy, stubborn and arrogant after the 2 SB wins.
He called plays to prove everyone wrong!
shanny, this is the same brilliant play-caller that went empty backfield on 4 consecutive plays inside the 5 yard line with PLUMMER as his QB and never attempted a run !
yes, shanny was brilliant.
QG attempting to run inside on the jaks front line repeatedly because the pundents said he could not do it!
stubborn and arrogant, these were the defining characteristics of shanny in the new millenium.

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Old 12-10-2013, 10:01 AM   #280
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Elway stayed away because he didnt see a role for himself FFS. What are you revisionists smoking? He didnt want to step on a coach's toe's who finally got him his rings, especially after he left Shanny in a lurch by waiting to announce he wasnt coming back.

Everything coming out says that Snyder has been interfering with the personnel decisions at the QB position, yet somehow he got everything he wanted in DC? JFC!

The Redskins are a dumpster fire for sure, but I dont think any coach can have success in that environment. I still remember Snyder demanding an apology from Norv in front of the team. It was a big mistake for Shanny to take that job, but think he will land on his feet. There are alot of terrible Head Coaches in the NFL.
Left Shanahan in a lurch? Are you kidding me? That's the way Shanahan behaved but if he were smart he'd have known there wasn't much time left, especially after Elway was debating retiring and was talked into staying that last season by his family. It must have been an extremely hard decision for Elway as football had been his life but he was supposed to rush it for Shanahan? I do think part of the reason Elway stayed away was Shanahan. Shanahan didn't want the reason he won two SB's usurping his authority or image. It was evident once Elway left Shanahan was desperate to prove he could do it without Elway. He couldn't.

I agree Snyder is as meddlesome as Jerry Jones and is in part responsible for his teams failure. But I'm also tired of the rationalizations for Shanahan's failures. We, as Bronco fans, can see the SAME thing happened with Shanahan's coaching in Washington. The SAME reason he was fired here.
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Please point to all the other extremely successful coaches who did not need a superstar QB to be great. A list of 3-5 would suffice.
This would depend on your definition of extreme success and superstar. SB winners would be Gruden, Harbaugh, Billick, Gibbs, Coughlin, Parcells, Bill Cowher.

Reeves, Fox, Holmgren, Parcells, Lovie Smith, Bill Cowher and Bobby Ross would be guys who took non superstar QB's to the bowl just to fall short.

that's 15 superbowls with Non Superstar QB's either participating or winning.
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lombardi, bart starr was no superstar
joe gibbs
mike ditka, jim mcmahon, hello?
chucky in tampa, can you even name his QB?
jeff hostetler and phil simms?
can you name the third string QB that won the SB with the raiders and madden?
these are just off the top of my dilfer head.
It takes more than a QB and a HC to win a SB, shanny put together a great TEAM of players and coaches in 1995. he was young, hungry and hard working. he learned how to run an ORG from bill WALSH and the 9ers. He brought KUBIAK with him to help incorporate this concepts in denver.
KUBIAK put together the gameplans
kubiak chose the plays and order of the 20 play script. shanny, just took all the credit
shanny got lazy, stubborn and arrogant after the 2 SB wins.
He called plays to prove everyone wrong!
shanny, this is the same brilliant play-caller that went empty backfield on 4 consecutive plays inside the 5 yard line with PLUMMER as his QB and never attempted a run !
yes, shanny was brilliant.
QG attempting to run inside on the jaks front line repeatedly because the pundents said he could not do it!
stubborn and arrogant, these were the defining characteristics of shanny in the new millenium.
Chuck Noll
Joe Gibbs
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:54 AM   #283
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thanks to all for your posts.
shanny hasnt been relevant since 1999.
and as each of his 5 wild cards left his side, the real mike shanahan became more exposed.
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thanks for confirming exactly what I have said all along,'
shanny needs a superstar QB to make him look good.
shanny NEEDS a QB who can CREATE when the play called breaks down.
if you read youngs words, he is actually praising the QBs that succeed with shanny, not shanny !
shanny is a QB coach, he is NOT a worthy HC !
shanny does understand QBs and WR, he is clueless about everything else!
see his D and ST for consistent examples of shannys incompetence !
the brilliant play caller isnt even calling plays, he leaves that to his kid... brilliant !
In the past 20-25 years almost every Super Bowl winner had an elite QB. Aikman, Young, Elway, Farve, Warner, Brady, both Mannings etc. The Dilfers and Brad Johnson's are not the norm.
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In the past 20-25 years almost every Super Bowl winner had an elite QB. Aikman, Young, Elway, Farve, Warner, Brady, both Mannings etc. The Dilfers and Brad Johnson's are not the norm.
How about teams that won more than 1 playoff game in 15 years?
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Old 12-10-2013, 01:00 PM   #286
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for shanny there will always be an excuse or a scapegoat.
He will gladly accept any credit and deflect any blame.
no matter where he goes he will fail,thus cementing his legacy.
there wont be any daniel snyder to point a finge r at !
There wasnt one in denver either after 7 seasons of mediocrity
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Old 12-10-2013, 01:12 PM   #287
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Left Shanahan in a lurch? Are you kidding me? That's the way Shanahan behaved but if he were smart he'd have known there wasn't much time left, especially after Elway was debating retiring and was talked into staying that last season by his family. It must have been an extremely hard decision for Elway as football had been his life but he was supposed to rush it for Shanahan? I do think part of the reason Elway stayed away was Shanahan. Shanahan didn't want the reason he won two SB's usurping his authority or image. It was evident once Elway left Shanahan was desperate to prove he could do it without Elway. He couldn't.

I agree Snyder is as meddlesome as Jerry Jones and is in part responsible for his teams failure. But I'm also tired of the rationalizations for Shanahan's failures. We, as Bronco fans, can see the SAME thing happened with Shanahan's coaching in Washington. The SAME reason he was fired here.
I agree with most of this, though I don't think Shanahan wanted to prove he could win without Elway for his ego. I think he just wanted to keep on winning. He had two rings and liked his job. I don't think he was so insecure that he didn't think he needed great players to win one.

If anything, his 2005 coaching job did just that when he won with a bunch of average guys where the sum was greater than the parts and we were one bad game away from going to the big dance.

But like other greats that stay on, I think the game has passed him by. His special teams and defensive woes have only continued. He's 32-45 in his last five seasons. His coaching hires are poor, sometimes catastrophically so, and his hard-ass way with players is outdated and no longer acceptable for most clubs. In fact if there's one thing I am tired of, it's hearing about all the pissing matches Shanahan gets into with his players. Even though I think he's justified in most of them, his responses make him look small and don't ever change the behavior of the players he's trying to make an example of. And that also goes for leaking negative things about the team in anticipation of getting fired. I wouldn't want to hire an employee who in two of the last two places he worked he pissed his bosses off so bad that they didn't want to pay him - even if they were monumental dick holes like Al Davis and Dan Snyder.

I don't like how he handled it. He's better than that.
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I don't like how he handled it. He's better than that.
no, you only hope and want that he would be better than that.
He is now throwing all his players remaining schedule under the bus so he can cash in on $7 million dfollars, even though he already has hundreds of millions of dollars.
stay classy mike, stay classy.
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How about teams that won more than 1 playoff game in 15 years?
Not many coaches win much without an elite QB. Shanny hasn't had one since Elway. Not saying I think Shanny doesn't have his issues. Not sure what his deal is with Slowick and having his son as OC. Those and moving up to take RGIII are easily his biggest mistakes in DC.
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If Wash cans him Shanny should swallow his pride and mend fences with Bowlen asap. They won 2 rings have a long history together quit acting like a child Mike.
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If Wash cans him Shanny should swallow his pride and mend fences with Bowlen asap. They won 2 rings have a long history together quit acting like a child Mike.
Never. Bowlen scapegoated him for his own penny pinching faults.

Shanny should never ever acknowledge that POS
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Never. Bowlen scapegoated him for his own penny pinching faults.

Shanny should never ever acknowledge that POS
One day they will mend their broken relationship while sipping Manhattan's and tanning on the beach.
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Never. Bowlen scapegoated him for his own penny pinching faults.

Shanny should never ever acknowledge that POS
no back lash for this post/
well at least he didnt question a players devotion.
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Channel 4 here in DC, is reporting that the rift is because of Kyle Shanahan. Evidently RGIII doesn't want to work with him, and Mike Shanahan won't fire him to please Sydner or RGIII
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Channel 4 here in DC, is reporting that the rift is because of Kyle Shanahan. Evidently RGIII doesn't want to work with him, and Mike Shanahan won't fire him to please Sydner or RGIII
To that, I would say: GUESS WHAT RG3?? - you don't get to CHOOSE who you work with when you're a 2nd year QB that hasn't done or proven anything in the NFL yet.
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To that, I would say: GUESS WHAT RG3?? - you don't get to CHOOSE who you work with when you're a 2nd year QB that hasn't done or proven anything in the NFL yet.
no, but it's Snyder's choice, not RG3's. either he takes an accomplished coach or the face and future of his franchise. it's an easy one (he'll take the player), but only Snyder could crap himself this badly in the first place.
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I think that Kyle is actually more of hard ass then his old man now, (TD was on Denver Radio Station, and talked about how Mike had "soften" from his time in Denver). I am sure RGIII doesn't like Kyle jacking him up when he screw up.
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Not many coaches win much without an elite QB. Shanny hasn't had one since Elway. Not saying I think Shanny doesn't have his issues. Not sure what his deal is with Slowick and having his son as OC. Those and moving up to take RGIII are easily his biggest mistakes in DC.
Actually, they do all the time. Mark Sanchez played in back to back AFC title games. We have a list of average to good QB's that made it to the super bowl, though admittedly a smaller list of those that won it. Jake plummer won as many playoff games as a cardinal as he did with the Broncos. Rex Grossman made it to the superbowl....and he's currently the 3rd stringer on Wash. Fox matched Shanahan with one playoff win with Tim Tebow, on top of taking Jake Delhomme to the superbowl. Fisher won a playoff game with Kerry Collins...Jim Fassel rode the same QB to the Superbowl. Our Defensive Coordinator has won a playoff game more recently than Shanahan and with Gerrard at QB.

So tell me again how we shouldn't expect more than one playoff win in 15 years without an elite QB.
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Never. Bowlen scapegoated him for his own penny pinching faults.

Shanny should never ever acknowledge that POS
Nah...Mike got all the money he ever needed to win. Your statement is BS.
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