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Old 12-01-2013, 05:34 PM   #26
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What I was saying was that Alex Smith was pretty freaking good today. They did actually have to beat a good QB today in a tough environment. There is hope for this D, if they can get healthy and Von becomes Von again.

I mean, look what happened today the few times Von got pressure. They should make him hit the sled on the plane home tonight.

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Old 12-01-2013, 05:35 PM   #27
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Missing Moore, Bailey, Vickerson, Wolfe & DRC. All starters.
how can you call BAILEY a starter?
the guy has a huge target on his uni for the opposing QB!
bailey can no longer hide behind his reputation.
He is not a top 4 defender in our current secondary.
maybe if he moved to safety, but his huge ego will not allow that to happen.
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:36 PM   #28
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Missing Moore, Bailey, Vickerson, Wolfe & DRC. All starters.
Get everyone healthy and they will be much better. Denver really needs Champ and less Webster.
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:37 PM   #29
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Our defense isn't "very bad" it's mediocre
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:40 PM   #30
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The DB's still can't judge a ball in the air for chit.

Elway needs to send them (especially Webster) over to Coors Field to shag some flies.
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:43 PM   #31
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they double teamed VON in the first half, took a way his will. then used just 1 guy to keep him insignificant, VON never tried to go inside on his rush, always harmlessly ridden to the outside on every pass rush in the second half.
stamina and desire seemed to be lacking in the second half.
champ?
smith was throwing AT HIM like we were throwing at cooper !
if champ does not move to safety he is going to get torched by better passing attacks.
we really missed vickerson today, along with DRC and wolfe.
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:46 PM   #32
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The DB's still can't judge a ball in the air for chit.

Elway needs to send them (especially Webster) over to Coors Field to shag some flies.
The end of that play looked earily like the Rahim Moore debacle.
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:50 PM   #33
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they double teamed VON in the first half, took a way his will. then used just 1 guy to keep him insignificant, VON never tried to go inside on his rush, always harmlessly ridden to the outside on every pass rush in the second half.
stamina and desire seemed to be lacking in the second half.
champ?
smith was throwing AT HIM like we were throwing at cooper !
if champ does not move to safety he is going to get torched by better passing attacks.
we really missed vickerson today, along with DRC and wolfe.
I don't know about that. They stunted Von a ton. And dropped him into coverage quite a bit.

I just want the old Von back. The other thing I don't understand is why this year he is mostly coming from the right side, as opposed to the left side of the D last year. Is it strictly because they don't have Elvis anymore??
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:51 PM   #34
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I'm hoping with Fox back and JDR returning to full D-coordinator we'll be better down the stretch. Injuries have definitely played a part, but they've been giving up a s*** load of yards the past couple of weeks.
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I'm hoping with Fox back and JDR returning to full D-coordinator we'll be better down the stretch. Injuries have definitely played a part, but they've been giving up a s*** load of yards the past couple of weeks.
excellent point, with so many injuries JDR needs to fix his focus exclusively on the D.
having fox back should be a boost to the team too.
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The end of that play looked earily like the Rahim Moore debacle.
the vomit in my throat tasted exactly the same.
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The end of that play looked earily like the Rahim Moore debacle.
I don't know if Smith's hurried release threw him off or what, but there's no way that floater should've been completed.

That was a pretty big play not made because it put them at 4th and 1 instead of 4th and a mile inside their 10.
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I don't know about that. They stunted Von a ton. And dropped him into coverage quite a bit.

I just want the old Von back. The other thing I don't understand is why this year he is mostly coming from the right side, as opposed to the left side of the D last year. Is it strictly because they don't have Elvis anymore??
Near the end, they had him off the line running delayed blitzes.

I don't know why they don't have him matched up on the LT more.

He wreaked havoc a few times last week, and this week, Miller beat Albert so bad, he hurt himself.
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VON never tried to go inside on his rush, always harmlessly ridden to the outside on every pass rush in the second half.
This is hilariously false.
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We're really, really going to miss Vickerson.
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drc is a big loss, but the broncos really missed big Vick and wolfe today.
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drc is a big loss, but the broncos really missed big Vick and wolfe today.
yeap. Wolfe should be back, probably not next week, but Vick is going to be very difficult to replace.

I don't recall seeing Sly at all.
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Old 12-01-2013, 06:13 PM   #43
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How big was Woodyards int in the end zone? Big since it ended 35-28
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Sly and Unrein will get better each week with more experience and it looks like Derek is going to be okay and that is Huge.

JT is coming back soon on Offense and Decker made a real statement he is ready to rumble for the playoffs and now that Knowshon and Ball are getting the running game play action passes to RB thing down just in time, we are going to be SERIOUSLY hard to stop on offense going forward.

Winning the next four, that we very much should, and locking up home field is gonna be HUGE for us this year. After last year's experience they wont make the same mistakes twice and NE will not get lucky in Denver. We should have beaten them there until DRC, Duke and Big Vick all went out in short order and Tom Terrific only had a total scrubs DB backfield to pick on.

That isn't going to happen in Denver, assuming NE makes it to Denver for the Championship game. If NE loses Gronk their hopes are utterly done.

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Old 12-01-2013, 07:51 PM   #45
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Not sure about all this Champ hate. Right now we know this:
  • Champ has had a hard time staying healthy for 3 years
  • Champ rated out very well last year when he was healthy

The biggest question with Champ right now is can he get and stay healthy, very much like this has been KMs biggest issue. At this point we don't really know how he can play if he is healthy. I suspect he would be an excellent if no longer elite corner if he was healthy, and I am very worried he can no longer stay healthy. Injured he can't play safety either - people are acting like he has been asked to move there and refused.

If Champ is done - and it is possible - it is likely more about his health than his capabilities or unwillingness to move to safety.

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If Denver Fu $&s this up it will be the long completion that setup the 4th and short for kc.
Wrong. It will be the fact that the Officials did not award the sack trip on the last Del Rio Challenge. That ball was caught and secured by Avery, who then took 3 full steps then Harris stripped him. The replay was VERY clear.

That was a Homer call all the way, to get out of the stadium alive. The drive actually should have died then.
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champ has made the pro-bowl the last 3 years on reputation. QBs chose to avoid champ, they just looked elsewhere. now champ has been exposed since last year and QBs actually will be targeting champ, just like smith did today.
and champ knows it!
that is why he has been avoiding action on the field.
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Wrong. It will be the fact that the Officials did not award the sack trip on the last Del Rio Challenge. That ball was caught and secured by Avery, who then took 3 full steps then Harris stripped him. The replay was VERY clear.

That was a Homer call all the way, to get out of the stadium alive. The drive actually should have died then.
3 full steps with the ball before being stripped, total screw job by the officials to keep the game close.
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Champ deserves and likely will get the chance to grow into more playing time. It really isn't fair to assume a guy as good as Champ has been and yet who has been out almost the entire year with a lis-franc injury that seriously impedes his conditioning, speed and fast reflex moves, can just come in and play well in a hot bed like Arrowhead on his very first game back late in a season.

Its not realistic to expect him to be near the top of his game in the first game back against seasoned elite receivers in late season form, yes, it was no doubt humbling for Champ, but he might well be able to contribute in a significant way as a number three CB or safety by end of the season allowing him to work back into physical shape and, as he said get his mind right.

Time will tell if he is able to do so, but a lisfranc is a b**** to return from as it is and Champ knows more about playing DB than everyone else on the team combined. We have nothing to lose as he's a member of this team and a valuable coach as it is.

If he rounds into shape that's a huge bonus for us in depth and experience going into the playoffs and maybe he makes a game saving INT in the Super Bowl for all we know.

If not, and he is really done as a DB of any kind, that will be clear well before the first playoff game.

As such, everyone chill on the dump Champ wagon and let this play out a while longer. Champ knows his days an an elite #1 CB are over, but he still might make a decent dime back or free safety even as a key rotational backup.

We need all DBs that can play on this team we have. Lets give him a chance these next four weeks and see how it plays out.

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Champ deserves and likely will get the chance to grow into more playing time. It really isn't fair to assume a guy as good as Champ has been and yet who has been out almost the entire year with a lisfranc injury that seriously impedes his conditioning, speed and fast reflex moves.

Its not realistic to expect him to be near the top of his game in the first game back against seasoned elite receivers in late season form, yes it was no doubt humbling for Champ, but he might well be able to contribute in a significant way as a number three CB or safety by end of the season allowing him to work back into physical shape and, as he said get his mind right.

Time will tell if he is able to do so, but a lisfranc is a b**** to return from as it is and Champ knows more about playing DB than everyone else on the team combined.We have nothing to lose as he's a member of this team and a valuable coach as it is.

If he rounds into shape that's a huge bonus for us in depth and experince going into the playoffs and maybe he makes a game saving INT in teh Super Bowl for all we know.

If not and he is really done as a DB of any kind, that will be clear well before the first playoff game.

As such, everyone chill on the dump Champ wagon and let this play out a while longer. Champ knows his days an an elite #1 CB are over, but he still might make a mean dime back or free safety even as a key rotational backup.

We need all DB that can play on this team. Lets give him a chance these next four weeks and see how it plays out.
all this true and well expressed.
But only champs EGO stands in the way of him moving to a role where he can HELP the D and not be a detrament. if he insists on being a cover corner, going man on man without assistance, then he will be TARGETED and his presence on the field will HURT the team !
I would rather see champ on the siodeline with his ego and reputation keeping him company and out of harms way.
if he would face reality and move to free safety, his experience, ball skills, savvy and tackling skills wouls HELP our D. but champ has to see the reality, he is the only one that can impliment the move.
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