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Old 11-26-2013, 10:00 AM   #51
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The Broncos Offense has proven it can't score more than 14 points in sub freezing temps and playoff conditions. How that it's encouraging to anybody is quite peculiar to say the least.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:04 AM   #52
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Yes Manning's numbers were bad but I honestly think that's on the coaches (maybe Manning too since I'm sure he has something to do with the gameplan) to a large degree.
Remember, though, that Manning has considerable leverage to change plays at the LOS.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:06 AM   #53
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The Broncos Offense has proven it can't score more than 14 points in sub freezing temps and playoff conditions. How that it's encouraging to anybody is quite peculiar to say the least.
Yup. And the fact that we couldn't do it against a mediocre defense makes it even less "encouraging". Imagine facing the Niners' defense in that weather.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:11 AM   #54
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Del Rio has also shown the ability to run such a crappy soft zone Defense, as to give up 31 points in 15 minutes.

I know, lets drop Von into coverage, take Jackson off the field, and give my crappy rookie some PT, while dropping all DBs at least 10 yards off the LOS. What a great idea!
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:12 AM   #55
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The Broncos Offense has proven it can't score more than 14 points in sub freezing temps and playoff conditions. How that it's encouraging to anybody is quite peculiar to say the least.
Not true. The KC game in week 17 was played in cold weather and it scored 38. Plus, it scored 21 against the ravens, but whatever.

Not to mention, ITS AN EPICALLY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.
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...dropping all DBs at least 10 yards off the LOS. What a great idea!
price, or anyone else who may have observed the particulars, did the Broncos start out in man and go zone in the 2nd half? And if so, was it to start out the half or was it after the Pats scored on the opening drive? And do you think they did it because of DRC being out or just a more conservative game plan in general?
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Yup. And the fact that we couldn't do it against a mediocre defense makes it even less "encouraging". Imagine facing the Niners' defense in that weather.
Imagine if the Von, WW, and Nacho hadn't gift wrapped a17-0 lead.
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Imagine if the Von, WW, and Nacho hadn't gift wrapped a17-0 lead.
Then the offense would have looked different.
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price, or anyone else who may have observed the particulars, did the Broncos start out in man and go zone in the 2nd half? And if so, was it to start out the half or was it after the Pats scored on the opening drive? And do you think they did it because of DRC being out or just a more conservative game plan in general?
I believe they went to zone after the pats drove right down the field against man on the opening drive of the second half.
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The KC game in week 17 was played in cold weather and it scored 38.
How "cold" was it? 30's? HUGE difference between 30's and 20's, particularly when you factor in wind chill.
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I'd also like to point out that, in a sense, getting that early lead was bad for us. Our game plan on offense went out the window and suddenly it was almost as if the team didn't quite know what to do. One of the flukiest games I can remember.
This has been the case with us not only during the twoi Manning years but in prior years as well. In particular though the last three JDR games the issue has been even more extreme.

WE play best went we straggly a little in the first half and are other tied. have a very small lead or are behind at half. Then the sense of urgency combined with half time adjustments kicks in and we have kicked arse in the second half.

With JDR in charge, we look like a much better version of his old Jaqs .. they had stout defenses but used their offense just to try to grab a two or three score lead if possible ( rarely for the Jags) and when that happens the last three games we go into the prevent defense and offense mode, more or less and try to run out the clock and slow down the attrition in the lead hopefully still being ahead at the end.

Against most teams and not in crazy cold and windy conditions, that strategy will still work with this team and Manning. But against Brady and Belicheck its still not enough.

You have to keep scoring and playing to win the entire game against Brady. That JDR and the coaches apparently didn't realize that is ridiculous!
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How "cold" was it? 30's? HUGE difference between 30's and 20's, particularly when you factor in wind chill.
It was in the 20's I believe, and there's not much of a difference. The wind chill might, but AGAIN, you're dealing with a small sample size and also ignoring details of each game.

The Broncos, against the Ravens, failures were often times due to not being able to convert 3 and 1's (and some really questionable penalties). You might ultimately be right, but two friggin games, both of which had us playing a style that we're not accustomed to played (especially in the pats game) is too small a sample size to take much from.

Not to mention, we were in position to win both and lost on pretty craptastic, anamolous plays.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:21 AM   #63
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What's encouraging from this game is the 'wake the hell up' factor.

Lest we forget last year's 1st & 2nd half kneel downs with time and T/O's remaining. Now we got the 34-7 2nd half debacle.

If this didn't serve a wake-the-hell-up, nothing will.
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price, or anyone else who may have observed the particulars, did the Broncos start out in man and go zone in the 2nd half? And if so, was it to start out the half or was it after the Pats scored on the opening drive? And do you think they did it because of DRC being out or just a more conservative game plan in general?
The Broncos started the game in man, but switched to soft zone in the 3rd quarter. The Patriots ran a ton of illegal pick plays, until they had the lead. They would basically run Amendola or Gronkowski directly into a Broncos defender to free up the man they were guarding.

The Patriots stopped running illegal picks at the end of the game (of course the Broncos got called for it), and couldn't do anything. By then, the Broncos had switched back to man, but still refused to be physical at the LOS.

Broncos Offense should have stated running picksright when Patriots did. Broncos Defense should have started jamming WR's down the field right when Patriots did.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:33 AM   #65
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It was in the 20's I believe...
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Maybe got colder later, but started off significantly warmer than the NE game. And probably a lot less wind.
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Broncos Defense should have started jamming WR's down the field right when Patriots did.
Thanks.

On this particular point, I did notice Gronkowski getting completely free releases a few times. And then gutting whichever hapless LB or S was trying to cover him.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:41 AM   #67
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I believe they went to zone after the pats drove right down the field against man on the opening drive of the second half.
There were some massive picks, dude. Patriots had to cheat to get back in the game. Del Rio and the refs let them. Of course, who knew the Broncos would have 4 straight drive killing turnovers, followed by a 3 and out, to start the 2nd half.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:47 AM   #68
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Maybe got colder later, but started off significantly warmer than the NE game. And probably a lot less wind.
Wrong game. He said the game last year in week 17 vs. Chiefs. You posted for the game two weeks ago.
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Wrong game. He said the game last year in week 17 vs. Chiefs. You posted for the game two weeks ago.
Ah, my bad. I assumed he was talking about this year's game.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:50 AM   #70
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It seems to me to make some posters here happy about our postseason chances Denver would need to go 16-0 and win every game by 10+ points. To me it doesn't matter how games are lost or won - crazy games happen every year where the ball bounces a funny way - it matters that our team has a fighting chance in the playoffs and we do this year.

The NFL is a crazy addictive league because so many teams have a gambler's chance. Teams that look like crap in the regular season can end up winning it all, and the last two Super Bowl champions had to win two road playoff games to get there. In the past 13 years, the team with the best regular season record has won the Super Bowl only TWICE - 2002 Bucs, 2003 Pats.

The 2011 Super Bowl Champions Giants lost 23-10 to a (5-11!) Redskins team with Rex Grossman as QB in week 15, and the Ravens lost four out of their last five games to end the season last year. If this happened to Denver this year we would all be ripping our own hair out analyzing every single weather variable and whether or not Elway should of drafted some guy in the 3rd round last year and why oh why did Von Miller have to smoke so much weed in the offseason.

The truth is yes, while the loss sucked and it sucked to lose in a heartbreaking fashion and it was super disheartening to watch I do not think it is a good indicator of Denver's chances in the playoffs. To win the Super Bowl it takes a good team getting into the playoffs, a little bit of luck, and a bunch of who the hell knows what. I for one look forward to the playoffs and for Denver's run to glory in February.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:50 AM   #71
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I was at the Chiefs game in Denver last year

It was cold, and the wind cut through you like a knife

Not as cold as the New England game but still pretty chilly
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:52 AM   #72
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Broncos turnovers:

1. Holiday muff punt in Broncos territory
2. Ball fumble in Broncos territory
3. Manning fumble on 3rd down in Broncos territory (he recovered)
4. Manning INT to Decker in Broncos territory
5. CJ Anderson fumble, Manning's fault (he recovered)
6. Manning INT to DT in Broncos territory (luckily called back from penalty)
7. Tony Carter touched punt in Broncos territory

Manning's fault on 4 of those turnovers (Ravens game he was responsible for 3).

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Old 11-26-2013, 10:54 AM   #73
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Wrong game. He said the game last year in week 17 vs. Chiefs. You posted for the game two weeks ago.
Chiefs last year were worst in the NFL, so who cares.
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Not true. The KC game in week 17 was played in cold weather and it scored 38. Plus, it scored 21 against the ravens, but whatever.

Not to mention, ITS AN EPICALLY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.
So I looked it up:

December 30th, 2012 - High of 42 at 1:30, 33 at 2:30, 25 at 4:30. Max wind speed that day was 21mph, and it was at its highest at from 3-6pm.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:57 AM   #75
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Chiefs last year were worst in the NFL, so who cares.
I just like people to have accurate facts in all their arguments. The chiefs were piss poor. Piss friggin poor. So it doesn't mean much, but there it is.
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