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Old 11-21-2013, 04:28 PM   #26
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Good for you but you are not a senator or congressman.

Hear about the rep from Florida got caught with coke ?

Another republican two faced a-hole...he won't resign
Was he from Miami?
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Old 11-21-2013, 04:35 PM   #27
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I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT SOONER OR LATER WE NEED to move things along.

Nothing is getting done because of republican obstruction even on fuly qualified judicial nominations. its beyond ridiculous
Funny, when Bush was sending up appointees, none other than Hilary Clinton told him, 'If you can't even get 60 votes, maybe you should consider a different nominee.'

Twas the same when R's ran the Senate but they never crossed this line despite talking about it. Reap what you sow. That is all.
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:16 PM   #28
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Good for you but you are not a senator or congressman.

Hear about the rep from Florida got caught with coke ?

Another republican two faced a-hole...he won't resign
Talk about two faced. This post fails on so many levels.
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Old 11-21-2013, 06:12 PM   #29
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Funny, when Bush was sending up appointees, none other than Hilary Clinton told him, 'If you can't even get 60 votes, maybe you should consider a different nominee.'

Twas the same when R's ran the Senate but they never crossed this line despite talking about it. Reap what you sow. That is all.
Both parties have so much to be proud of.
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Old 11-21-2013, 06:19 PM   #30
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WoW. Half of all filibusterers ever used have been done during Obama's administration? Is this for real. I knew the Republicans had been playing games.... but Holy ****z!


I don't like the rule change. But I understand why now. Sad that it's come to this really.

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Old 11-21-2013, 06:36 PM   #31
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POLITICAL WAR!

I'm not sure of the wisdom of doing this before the debt ceiling debate, but I'm ok with the Democrats being the ones to pull the trigger on this. The Republicans couldn't get away with it, but now that the Democrats have throttled the rules, I expect to see both sides abuse them profusely.

This isn't going to end with just this situation here. There's a lot of political calculation that went into this, but ultimately nobody can see past January on what it means. However, I think we know what it means based on history. There is nothing unprecedented about what the Republicans have been doing. The idea that there is, is a lie. But whether you want to believe that or not is actually immaterial to the fact that the nuke has be launched, and we are now in a political war that nobody knows how it will end.

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Old 11-21-2013, 09:05 PM   #32
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A win for democracy today.

As for the constitution? That's why we amended the 17th: to give people a voice in the senate, to be able to elect their senators.

Today the people's voice became a little louder.

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Old 11-21-2013, 09:07 PM   #33
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This makes 2014 very easy from a messaging standpoint.

One party unilaterally forced Obamacare on us, and now they want to unilaterally force their judges on us. This is going to make the 2010 sweep look like child's play. They just made the Tea Party the strongest force in the Republican arsenal, and weakened every moderate in the party in one move.
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Huge win for democracy today.
I hope you think so when Republicans apply this precedent to laws.
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:10 PM   #35
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This makes 2014 very easy from a messaging standpoint.

One party unilaterally forced Obamacare on us, and now they want to unilaterally force their judges on us. This is going to make the 2010 sweep look like child's play. They just made the Tea Party the strongest force in the Republican arsenal, and weakened every moderate in the party in one move.
put down the mises.org and step away from the ron paul youtubes

Back here in reality, the Tea Party is toxic.
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:13 PM   #36
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I hope you think so when Republicans apply this precedent to laws.

Sure, so long as we make sure every single person in this country can vote, and take big steps to keep them from being disenfranchised. Democracy is awesome, a powerful wealthy minority is not.
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put down the mises.org and step away from the ron paul youtubes

Back here in reality, the Tea Party is toxic.

To progressivism, it's definitely toxic. And you'll find out how toxic very soon.

This isn't going to end well for Democrats.
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Sure, so long as we make sure every single person in this country can vote, and take big steps to keep them from being disenfranchised. Democracy is awesome, a powerful wealthy minority is not.
Being a welfare state comes with being an ID state when it comes to the vote. I'm all for voting. It's the most patriotic thing that you can do. In a welfare state, only citizens should be allowed to vote, and that means IDs.

There's nothing unreasonable about this at all. To the contrary. It's merely practical.

As a libertarian, I hate both, but recognize that one is a precursor to the other.
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Just more typical "wrong for you, but ok for me" BS by democrats.
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:21 PM   #40
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Being a welfare state comes with being an ID state when it comes to the vote. I'm all for voting. It's the most patriotic thing that you can do. In a welfare state, only citizens should be allowed to vote, and that means IDs.

There's nothing unreasonable about this at all. To the contrary. It's merely practical.

As a libertarian, I hate both, but recognize that one is a precursor to the other.

There is no such thing as voter fraud in America, period.

Voter ID is about suppresing votes from "undesirable" Americans.
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If voter ID laws hurt old rich white people, you and every other conservative would be against them.

Voter ID isn't about "protecting" ****, it's about suppressing votes from the impoverished and disenfranchised.

There is no such thing as voter fraud, period.

*shrug*

If you say so. I don't really care either way. This is an issue for the extreme partisans to fight over. Most people can see this issue both ways. In fact, the polls show more Democrats supporting voter ID laws than opposing them.
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Democrats only worry about voter fraud whenever they lose an election. Other than those instances, voter fraud doesn't exist of course. How convenient.
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*shrug*

If you say so. I don't really care either way. This is an issue for the extreme partisans to fight over. Most people can see this issue both ways. In fact, the polls show more Democrats supporting voter ID laws than opposing them.
Because all we hear about is voter fraud, spurred on by corporate thinktanks and the politicians they support.

This is the result of the propoganda:




Here's the truth about voter fraud:

The DoJ found the occurance of voter fraud to be .00000013%. And of those cases of fraud, nearly every person was either:

1) Confused about where to vote
2) Confused about their own name
3) Mentally challenged

(http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/d...er%20Fraud.pdf)

Does this problem sound like it should warrant nearly a BILLION DOLLARS in taxpayer funds? That amount would cover just four years of Voter ID's in 34 states.

If you're looking to stop wasteful government programs, I can't think of a better place to start than voter ID.

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People don't support voter ID laws because of anything the Republicans say. They support them because it makes sense to them. The numbers are in the 75% range. That isn't about "propaganda." That's about visceral, bipartisan common sense. People think, "If I need an ID to buy a beer, why wouldn't I need an ID to vote?"
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People don't support voter ID laws because of anything the Republicans say. They support them because it makes sense to them. The numbers are in the 75% range. That isn't about "propaganda." That's about visceral, bipartisan common sense. People think, "If I need an ID to buy a beer, why wouldn't I need an ID to vote?"
If that's the case, why did corporations invest so much money into propagandizing voter fraud, if people already agreed with them? I'd think the Koch, Walton, and Scaife families would be smarter with money than that.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...9fa_fact_mayer
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*shrug*

Don't know, don't care. Like the majority of Americans, fighting one way or the other on this issue is so low on my list of priorities that I'd need a shovel and a week to find it. This is the territory for uberpartisans. What are we even talking about it in this thread?

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Just another flip flop from Obama. When he was a Senator he was against this.
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Bush had many nominees confirmed, republicans have blocked all but ONE of President obamas nominees.
I feel sorry for you if you really believe this.
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Had to be done. The filibuster has been abused to historic levels by republicans.

Blocking almost every appointee, every circuit court judges. There are 2-3 openings and we can't get them filled.

BS.........these retarded republicans brought this on themselves.

Now if we just had a choke chain for the HOUSE republicans as well.


Filibuster has been abused. Most DEMS would like it to be there for the RIGHT reasons.

Unfortunately the obstructionist party left us no choice.
Please provide stats to this,dot brain. I believe 1600 have been filled. 3 out of 1600 and now they change something that has been around since 1789. How can any Dem back this when it has been used on both sides. How in the **** can any lib b**** about not having a nominee, who isn't qualified, to be fillibustered? Do any libs remember the **** Reagan and Bush took for some of their nominees. Amazing when it is on the other foot does it now matter but not 8 years ago.

I would not mind this as much if Dems have always been against Filibustering but they act like they will be leading the nation forever.

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I agree that it is ridiculous, but if the Senate flipped and the Republicans ended up doing that to the Democrats (taking away their ability to filibuster anything) -- you would probably be upset.
Probably, the dude would be the biggest hypocrite around. He is a talking point to the most extreme proggressive news sources. Anyone that blames out spoken Republicans for doing so only because the President is black is a complete hack and douche. I guess talk radio and dissent for the democrats only started when the president became black. Who knew?
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