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Old 11-19-2013, 05:34 PM   #126
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Honest question: do you think that if the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens would be able to stop the 2013 Broncos, 2010 Packers or 2007 Patriots from scoring at least 30 points?
Ravens for sure. Bears I think Denver could score on that 46 defense. The DB's back then weren't as good of athletes. I do know one thing is that this years Queefs are nowhere near as good as the 2000 Ravens.
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:35 PM   #127
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yes, i honestly think the 2000 Ravens and 85 Bears would hold the 2013 Broncos to 14 points or less in a dome, 10 points or less outdoor in the cold. Thats what the best defense of all time do, shut good teams down completely. Which it is why it is disrespectful to those defenses to put the 2013 Chiefs in the same conversation.
and if Manning had a high ankle sprain at age 37, i might say we only get 3 field goals against those defenses.
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:48 PM   #128
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85 bears would be interesting. They were so aggressive. I have the complete 85 bears season on DVD transferred from original broadcast on VHS so the quality is terrible. Watching it reminds you just HOW MUCH THE GAME HAS CHANGED. The defense was allowed to lay some serious wood back then.

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Old 11-19-2013, 06:03 PM   #129
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Ravens for sure. Bears I think Denver could score on that 46 defense. The DB's back then weren't as good of athletes. I do know one thing is that this years Queefs are nowhere near as good as the 2000 Ravens.
Still an elite D this year. Easily top 5.
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85 bears would be interesting. They were so aggressive. I have the complete 85 bears season on DVD transferred from original broadcast on VHS so the quality is terrible. Watching it reminds you just HOW MUCH THE GAME HAS CHANGED. The defense was allowed to lay some serious wood back then.
That team would break the record for most personal fouls if they played the broncos today. And then they would wonder why they were asked to play pussified football.
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Old 11-19-2013, 06:06 PM   #131
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Still an elite D this year. Easily top 5.
A top 5 defense cannot be out of the top 10 in yards given up per game. Chiefs are like 12th
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Old 11-19-2013, 06:11 PM   #132
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Honest question: do you think that if the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens would be able to stop the 2013 Broncos, 2010 Packers or 2007 Patriots from scoring at least 30 points?
It'd be a lot harder for them, but it's certainly possible they could hold elite offenses in today's NFL to the mid 20's. It'd just be hard for those teams to win a Super Bowl without a very good offense, with today's rules.
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Still an elite D this year. Easily top 5.
I'd put them in the Top 5. Probably #3, after Carolina and Seattle. Their offense is probably in the mid 20's, which is why it will be hard for them.

Next two weeks should be interesting for KC. Win both games and they certainly would cement themselves as a top tier defense.
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I'd put them in the Top 5. Probably #3, after Carolina and Seattle. Their offense is probably in the mid 20's, which is why it will be hard for them.

Next two weeks should be interesting for KC. Win both games and they certainly would cement themselves as a top tier defense.
ya i would put them at 3rd as well.
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ya i would put them at 3rd as well.
I got Seattle Carolina Saints Bengals 49ers before Chiefs.
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I got Seattle Carolina Saints Bengals 49ers before Chiefs.
ya, if the Chiefs continue to get gashed by the run and cant sack the QB, i will drop them down to 6. I am going to wait and see.
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It's the strength of their team, but by no means are they the '85 Bears or 2000 Ravens.

It's a solid, above average defense but they can be broken down as Denver showed despite not playing all that well.
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ya, if the Chiefs continue to get gashed by the run and cant sack the QB, i will drop them down to 6. I am going to wait and see.
if they can't get after the QB or stop the run, you've got to drop them well lower than 6.

IMO, what they have done to all of the 1st time starters, Blane Gabbert, and injuredRomo has really skewed their perception.
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85 bears would be interesting. They were so aggressive. I have the complete 85 bears season on DVD transferred from original broadcast on VHS so the quality is terrible. Watching it reminds you just HOW MUCH THE GAME HAS CHANGED. The defense was allowed to lay some serious wood back then.
Does Ditka play in this one?
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Still an elite D this year. Easily top 5.
do elite defenses let the Bills run all over them knowing that the QB is not a threat to beat them passing the ball?
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KC's defense has a long way to go before they crack the top ten.

The List: Best NFL defense of all-time

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/bestNFLdefense.html
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Still an elite D this year. Easily top 5.
Yes when playing turnover prone garbage and backup QB's. I'll give you that.
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do elite defenses let the Bills run all over them knowing that the QB is not a threat to beat them passing the ball?
Lol kc stud is so delusional, poor guy
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if they can't get after the QB or stop the run, you've got to drop them well lower than 6.

IMO, what they have done to all of the 1st time starters, Blane Gabbert, and injuredRomo has really skewed their perception.
Next two weeks should give people a better idea about KC's defense. If Rivers and Manning walk away with wins in Arrowhead putting up 20+ points, it'll be clear they aren't as good as originally thought.
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The only team to hold the Broncos under 27 points at Mile High during the Manning era was the 2012 Houston Texans(25 points) as the Broncos fell to 1-2 to start the season. Since the shaky start, Manning has been on a tear.

I would definitely rank the Chiefs as a top 10 Defense in the NFL right now. Of course, with any injuries or suspensions (like the Broncos have suffered), that would change.

If not for leading the league in fumbles, especially fumbles in their own red zone, the Broncos may also have a top 10 scoring Defense in the NFL right now. As it stands, the Broncos are 35 points away from cracking the top 10.
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I got Seattle Carolina Saints Bengals 49ers before Chiefs.
Saints D is helped immensely by Drew Brees and the offense.

Bengals D is nowhere near as good now that Geno Atkins is out. Secondary is very suspect as well.
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do elite defenses let the Bills run all over them knowing that the QB is not a threat to beat them passing the ball?
You do know our D scored more points than the Bills offense right?
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You do know our D scored more points than the Bills offense right?
You do know that defensive/special teams scoring TDs are unsustainable, right?
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Does Ditka play in this one?
Seriously?
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Seriously?
It not like he asking if any mini-Ditkas were involved.
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