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Old 11-07-2013, 10:42 PM   #51
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Stalin was a tool that Communists used to implement their will on the people. As far as debate and Communism go. All the facts are there. It doesn't work.

No, it's not because of the "impractical utopia". It's simply because the ideals which Communism is against human nature. If people have no incentive to work, to create, to invent, or prosper...they won't. Communism is against human nature.

I know you're against capitalism. What you fail to realize, is that the U.S. Constitution has created the most free, prosperous, and creative civilization on the history of earth. Your perceived corporate injustices are primarily due to the inability of government to perform it's basic duties. Instead, the US government has chosen to deliberately create wealth disparity with Socialist policies (which will never work).
Wrong again. I'm opposed to laissez faire capitalism - the Randian capitalism espoused by the leaders of the Tea Party, like the Koch Bros, Rand Paul and Paul Ryan. I'm opposed to corporate controlled capitalism that doesn't even create capital, but rather just churns paper to create wealth completely disconnected from the nuts and bolts economy that sustains a society. Well regulated capitalism works just fine. Corporate power has now reached such an extent that they simply buy the government they want, as we saw clearly in the Glass/Steagle debacle and are watching right now as Citigroup rewrites Dodd/Frank.

Wealth disparity is created by greed, not government. Our government is failing because of an extremely well financed, corporate, libertarian assault on its legitimate functions going all the way back to the Powell memo. Back to the days when Reagan launched the propaganda motto, "The government is the problem." Wrong. A government no longer answerable to the people is the problem. Follow the money. In the last few years, 95% of the "recovery" has gone to 1% of the people. That's says all anybody needs to know. This economy no longer serves the needs of the majority of its people.

Oh, and BTW, Stalin was never the tool of anybody. That's like saying the Huns used Attila as a tool.

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Old 11-08-2013, 08:17 AM   #52
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A shocking collection of facts here. America should be ashamed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/les-le...b_4238566.html
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:31 AM   #53
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...the US government has chosen to deliberately create wealth disparity with Socialist policies...
lol You must have skipped this article I posted in the Scrooge McDucks thread. Give it a thorough, thoughtful read.

http://www.pimco.com/EN/Insights/Pag...e-McDucks.aspx
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:36 AM   #54
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lol You must have skipped this article I posted in the Scrooge McDucks thread. Give it a thorough, thoughtful read.

http://www.pimco.com/EN/Insights/Pag...e-McDucks.aspx
Nothing penetrates the bubble.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:44 AM   #55
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Nothing penetrates the bubble.
Last month I played in a golf tournament at Hot Springs Village a 26,000 acres private gated community with unparalleled security. Nine beautiful golf courses and fantastic fishing lakes.

It's just like living in a zombie proof bubble and nothing penetrates the bubble. But I guess we should hate the people that live there, right? I'm sure they didn't work hard and invest wisely to get there, they must have made their money off the backs of the unprivileged, probably all retired Walmart or Tyson executives.

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Old 11-08-2013, 11:01 AM   #56
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But I guess we should hate the people that live there, right?
No, not at all. I'm not sure why you think that's what anyone thinks or how anyone feels. Not remotely the point.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:34 AM   #57
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Why do you think I've stopped arguing with him? He brings absolutely nothing to the table except what you just described. He hasn't engaged in a single honest argument, nor has he answered a single direct question since he started posting here.

Example:

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"Well, if you want to talk about underwear, you should consider how much crotch sweat the average American excretes in a day. Of course you wouldn't know because liberals are a bunch of bra-burners."

"WTF?"
this might be the single funnist post ever.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:57 AM   #58
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this might be the single funnist post ever.
Hough is the OM's largest adherent to the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" school of debate.

When he doesn't get answers, it's because he's not asking intellectually honest questions.

Simple as that.
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Nothing penetrates the bubble.
Yep.

Bill Maher does a great job of explaining why:

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Last month I played in a golf tournament at Hot Springs Village a 26,000 acres private gated community with unparalleled security. Nine beautiful golf courses and fantastic fishing lakes.

It's just like living in a zombie proof bubble and nothing penetrates the bubble. But I guess we should hate the people that live there, right? I'm sure they didn't work hard and invest wisely to get there, they must have made their money off the backs of the unprivileged, probably all retired Walmart or Tyson executives.
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Yep.

Bill Maher does a great job of explaining why:
"These people do not care what the truth is." Bingo!
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Hough is the OM's largest adherent to the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" school of debate.

When he doesn't get answers, it's because he's not asking intellectually honest questions.

Simple as that.
That's hilarious.

Beavis.

Accusing someone of being intellectually dishonest.

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Beavis, 2x + 8 = 10.

What does X equal?
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lol You must have skipped this article I posted in the Scrooge McDucks thread. Give it a thorough, thoughtful read.

http://www.pimco.com/EN/Insights/Pag...e-McDucks.aspx
Another article complaining about the 1%? Spare me. The Obama administration already instituted a MASSIVE tax increase on this group Jan. 2013.

I'm talking about individual freedom's, not sure what you're talking about.
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Another article complaining about the 1%? Spare me. The Obama administration already instituted a MASSIVE tax increase on this group Jan. 2013.

I'm talking about individual freedom's, not sure what you're talking about.
really!? All this time I thought it was GWB for not making his tax cuts permanent. you should thank Obama for keeping the rest of the tax cuts in place.
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Hough is the OM's largest adherent to the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" school of debate.

When he doesn't get answers, it's because he's not asking intellectually honest questions.

Simple as that.
and here you are proving houghtams point.
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Another article complaining about the 1%? Spare me. The Obama administration already instituted a MASSIVE tax increase on this group Jan. 2013.

I'm talking about individual freedom's, not sure what you're talking about.
More tripe from (one of) the resident tripe-spewers.
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Wrong again. I'm opposed to laissez faire capitalism - the Randian capitalism espoused by the leaders of the Tea Party, like the Koch Bros, Rand Paul and Paul Ryan. I'm opposed to corporate controlled capitalism that doesn't even create capital, but rather just churns paper to create wealth completely disconnected from the nuts and bolts economy that sustains a society. Well regulated capitalism works just fine. Corporate power has now reached such an extent that they simply buy the government they want, as we saw clearly in the Glass/Steagle debacle and are watching right now as Citigroup rewrites Dodd/Frank.

Wealth disparity is created by greed, not government. Our government is failing because of an extremely well financed, corporate, libertarian assault on its legitimate functions going all the way back to the Powell memo. Back to the days when Reagan launched the propaganda motto, "The government is the problem." Wrong. A government no longer answerable to the people is the problem. Follow the money. In the last few years, 95% of the "recovery" has gone to 1% of the people. That's says all anybody needs to know. This economy no longer serves the needs of the majority of its people.

Oh, and BTW, Stalin was never the tool of anybody. That's like saying the Huns used Attila as a tool.
You are grossly misinformed comrade.

Overzealous Keynsesian government spending and crony capitalism have created (and continue to create) massive wealth disparity. Ever hear of inflation? People either have assets or they don't. If you don't have assets and only hold worthless paper money. You are poor. End of story. The value of the dollar has dropped 98% since the Federal Reserve was instituted.

You complain about the last few years of government policy (stimulus, bailouts, etc.) and actually have the GALL to attribute this to Libertarian's? WTF?

The few Libertarian's that there are in congress vote against those policies everytime the Socialists try to pass them. Libertarian's want to audit the federal reserve, and eliminate crony capitalism.

Libertarian's are against debt-accumulation, and all policies that create wealth disparity. You have no clue what you're even talking about. Do you actually believe the crap you type? Good lord, man.
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>>Overzealous Keynsesian government spending and crony capitalism have created (and continue to create) massive wealth disparity.<<
A Bush chicken head lecturing us about "crony capitalism?"

Priceless!
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Another article complaining about the 1%? Spare me.
"Complaining"? Seriously?!? Do you happen to know who William H. Gross is? I don't think you read the essay. And if you did it clearly went way over your head.
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"Complaining"? Seriously?!? Do you happen to know who William H. Gross is? I don't think you read the essay. And if you did it clearly went way over your head.
I speedily read "waa waa 1%". Only a guy like you could continue to post crap about how it's all the 1%ers fault, after the President you voted for enriched them, and raised taxes on them, with his minion Bernanke printing dollars like mad the entire time.

I am highly sick and tired of the 1% propaganda. Your party created these conditions. Live with it, or quit voting for the Socialists. Go cry on someone else's shoulder. I have been warning you about the Democrats policies all along.
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A Bush chicken head lecturing us about "crony capitalism?"

Priceless!
I have told you no less than 100 times that I didn't vote for Bush, moron.


Might want to put some gingko biloba in with your crystal meth. Never underestimate the power of short-term memory.
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I have told you no less than 100 times that I didn't vote for Bush, moron.


Might want to put some gingko biloba in with your crystal meth. Never underestimate the power of short-term memory.
Your post says I didn't vote for Bush.

Your post history says you gave him blowies.
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Your post says I didn't vote for Bush.

Your post history says you gave him blowies.
Cool, search until you find one. And don't come back until you do. I won't hold my breath.


Bush?? Really? You guys need some new material.

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Beavis, 2x + 8 = 10.

What does X equal?
Thanks for the perfect illustration of the kind of question that's not worth bothering with.

Why answer a question when the asker isn't genuinely interested in the answer?

The difference between arguing and debate.
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