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Old 10-21-2013, 09:17 AM   #1
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Rarely ever post - but after watching the game last night, I really think this game was very tough for Manning from a mental aspect. I understand he has to put the past behind him, but he is only human. To go back to the place were all your memories are, in a stadium that you help built, in front of the fans that adored you, in a city where you became a man, I just think the emotions were tough to handle. I don't think he had any animosity to go back and want to defeat the team that let him go, but rather a mentality that he wanted to end his career there and sad that it didn't happen that way. I think the emotions of the game and moment were too much. After the game he alluded to the fact that he was glad it was over. I cannot think of another instance where a player of Manning's caliber, went back and played where he played his entire career. I know Favre went back, but I think the situation was a little different with Favre's attitude and perception. Not quite sure if Montana ever went back to SF.

I do feel that this was a hurdle that is over with, and moving forward I don't think it will affect his play. I think the team will be fine.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:19 AM   #2
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Denver was still in the game. The OJ whiff and HIllman fumbling killed Denver.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:22 AM   #3
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Denver was still in the game. The OJ whiff and HIllman fumbling killed Denver.
We win the game if hillman doesnt fumble. Kinda hard to win a game when you lose the turnover battle 1-4.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:23 AM   #4
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Yeah, Manning was emotionally rattled. I really felt like pass protection (or lack thereof) is a better explanation for his struggles in the 2nd & 3rd quarters though. Our patchwork O-line couldn't hold up too well against one of the best pass rushers in the game right now. He started clicking much better in the 4th, but Indy was probably playing a bit more prevent style D since they were up by 2 scores. I'll have to go back and watch the all-22 film to be sure though.

Overall, yeah, emotions played a role but not as much as our injuries on both sides of the ball did, IMO.
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I think if Manning let his emotions effect his play, we got the wrong guy.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:27 AM   #6
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Rarely ever post - but after watching the game last night, I really think this game was very tough for Manning from a mental aspect. I understand he has to put the past behind him, but he is only human. To go back to the place were all your memories are, in a stadium that you help built, in front of the fans that adored you, in a city where you became a man, I just think the emotions were tough to handle. I don't think he had any animosity to go back and want to defeat the team that let him go, but rather a mentality that he wanted to end his career there and sad that it didn't happen that way. I think the emotions of the game and moment were too much. After the game he alluded to the fact that he was glad it was over. I cannot think of another instance where a player of Manning's caliber, went back and played where he played his entire career. I know Favre went back, but I think the situation was a little different with Favre's attitude and perception. Not quite sure if Montana ever went back to SF.

I do feel that this was a hurdle that is over with, and moving forward I don't think it will affect his play. I think the team will be fine.
An honest moment from Manning. Somehow he believes next time will be easier and was relieved it was over

Can't remember ever Manning saying he was relieved after a loss.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:27 AM   #7
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I think if Manning let his emotions effect his play, we got the wrong guy.
I dunno, I think this is BS. We were up 14-10. If it was the "emotions" of the game, it woulda affected him at the beginning, not the end. I'd say the constant pressure was more a factor.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:28 AM   #8
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It looked like he was grimacing on the sideline when he was tossing the ball around. Injury may have had something to do with it. Crap o-line play didnt help either.
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I dunno, I think this is BS. We were up 14-10. If it was the "emotions" of the game, it woulda affected him at the beginning, not the end. I'd say the constant pressure was more a factor.
Yea, I don't necessarily agree they did. I was just saying if they did as OP surmised it would reflect poorly
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Any info on Mannings health? Hearing he's hurt?
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manning's the same as he ever was. when he gets hit (and he did get hit a lot last night), he gets jittery in the pocket. when he gets jittery, he becomes inaccurate and his throws float. there was a lot of action at his feet, which would make any pocket qb restless. bottom line is that we must a)correct the protection and b)the wr's need to win their one on one battles. welker was the only one that seemed to be playing with intensity.
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manning's the same as he ever was. when he gets hit (and he did get hit a lot last night), he gets jittery in the pocket. when he gets jittery, he becomes inaccurate and his throws float. there was a lot of action at his feet, which would make any pocket qb restless. bottom line is that we must a)correct the protection and b)the wr's need to win their one on one battles. welker was the only one that seemed to be playing with intensity.
Someone said on another board that he's injured. Haven't seen it here so I don't think that's true.
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Rarely ever post - but after watching the game last night, I really think this game was very tough for Manning from a mental aspect. I understand he has to put the past behind him, but he is only human. To go back to the place were all your memories are, in a stadium that you help built, in front of the fans that adored you, in a city where you became a man, I just think the emotions were tough to handle. I don't think he had any animosity to go back and want to defeat the team that let him go, but rather a mentality that he wanted to end his career there and sad that it didn't happen that way. I think the emotions of the game and moment were too much. After the game he alluded to the fact that he was glad it was over. I cannot think of another instance where a player of Manning's caliber, went back and played where he played his entire career. I know Favre went back, but I think the situation was a little different with Favre's attitude and perception. Not quite sure if Montana ever went back to SF.

I do feel that this was a hurdle that is over with, and moving forward I don't think it will affect his play. I think the team will be fine.
It was tough on him and you could see in the 1st half especially he was way off compared to how he normally plays. In the first half he threw more passes that were uncatchable than he had in the previous 6 games combined I am pretty sure, and often in single coverage he would just overthrow or underthrow his guy. It is perfectly understandable that it went down that way, it is not easy to go back to a place you loved for so long and called home, playing against guys you have known for 10+ years.

Unfortunately this does follow the trend that Manning does tend to buckle in games with extremely high pressure.
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Hearing that where??
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Someone said on another board that he's injured. Haven't seen it here so I don't think that's true.

The hits he took didn't seem to injure him necessarily, but they surely did something to his psyche and internal clock.
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Hearing that where??
On a message board on fox. Can't find anything though so it would seem they were talking out of their ass


One thing that worries me was the amount of pressure on this game was kinda like pressure a playoff game would give. Wanted to see Manning rise over the pressure but its hard when the Oline doesn't do their job.

Even with all the mistakes TOs peanalties 3 and outs etc they produced over 30. Hollidays fumble IMO was the game changer. 7 easy points and a loss of possession there after the defense did their job stopping them. No surprised we lost by 6 after giving away 7

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Old 10-21-2013, 10:20 AM   #17
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Also curious about his health. Manning had a subpar game and was under pressure a LOT. And the hits that Indy got on him were consistently high, hitting his arm during throws. I wouldn't be surprised that he has a slight shoulder tear.


I also think that the crowd noise was a factor, and that he was not able to get his signals to the line for blocks and stunts. Too many times the line was not able to pick up the d linemen.

Emotion also did seem to be a factor....he was not as sharp and did not do nearly as much presnap adjusting as is usual. His throws were also later than normal.

Not sure why he kept trying to throw to Moreno so much early on....it wasn't working and the routes were way too short to get first downs. That was a big factor in so many of the 3 and outs.
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On a message board on fox. Can't find anything though so it would seem they were talking out of their ass
Ok, so you heard something on a random message board and you're using that to state: "I'm hearing he's injured"

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The hits he took didn't seem to injure him necessarily, but they surely did something to his psyche and internal clock.
Did you see the hit on Cutler, looked innocent enough but apparently it turned his penis into a vagina by the way he was walking to the locker room.
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Not sure why he kept trying to throw to Moreno so much early on....it wasn't working and the routes were way too short to get first downs. That was a big factor in so many of the 3 and outs.
That's what they were giving us. Most of the downfield attempts were forced. This will be how most teams try to defend us from here on out, KC in particular.
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Ok, so you heard something on a random message board and you're using that to state: "I'm hearing he's injured"

COOL.
No. I asked a question. It looks worded wrong though as I should've said "anyone hearing he's hurt" instead of "hearing he's hurt" but the ? Is after both sentences not a .
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Ok, so you heard something on a random message board and you're using that to state: "I'm hearing he's injured"

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I heard the same thing on the light rail going to the Wings-
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Did you see the hit on Cutler, looked innocent enough but apparently it turned his penis into a vagina by the way he was walking to the locker room.
Sucks for Cutler in a contract year
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Like I said in the GDT, I would be suprised if he got his bell rung just a tad last night on thet Mathis hit, but to me it seemed like Mannings machanics we're off, he made some throws off balance, just not the same... maybe it was the pressure, but even the throws he got off clean he looked screwed up. I want to say he threw a few of those deeper balls into double coverag of his back foot.. weird.
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Im thankful PM came out of the game in one piece , he took some wicked shots. He looked like he didnt sleep much the night before seeing him in warm ups with bags under his eyes. Heck he was leading the team for a come back , before Hillman took that hope away. I hope he is okay anyways. We havent had the best of luck with injuries.
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