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Old 05-21-2014, 09:21 PM   #526
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Cleveland has a top notch medical center. If they sign off on his back he is fine.
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:54 PM   #527
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I hear ya Maven but friendly fire here Im a Spurs chic. The Duncan is my man... so considering it will more then likely come down to my Spurs playing the king of flops I hope he continues to suck balls....
No wonder you hate Lebron. He gave you some bad memories. He's the best player in the league. Get over it
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:56 PM   #528
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Not really, Wiggins is the better player but he also has the highest bust potential.
I like Parker but he is #2, Embiid is a bit overrated to me. #3-4 but not in the top 2.
I just can't imagine wiggins being a bust. He might not be Durant or Lebron, but id be surprised if he's not an all star
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:58 PM   #529
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Haven't we learned that if you have a potential elite center with injury issues and a potential elite wing without them, always take the wing?
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Old 05-21-2014, 11:25 PM   #530
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Haven't we learned that if you have a potential elite center with injury issues and a potential elite wing without them, always take the wing?
If Jordan taught you nothing, Durant should have.
With that said, you should still take the best player available.
If Wiggins is not BPA then something is seriously wrong with your evaluation process.

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I just can't imagine wiggins being a bust. He might not be Durant or Lebron, but id be surprised if he's not an all star
He has motivation issues. But this is similar to Clowney in the NFL.
You do not pass on that, if you do you will regret it in the future.
If he pans out as expected, Kyrie will not be the franchise player for the Cavs.
He has the potential to be a top 5 NBA player.

I do not get that feel from the other players in this draft.
I think they will be very good if they pan out.
But this is kind of like LeBron vs Carmelo. One is potential GOAT(well, not really but still...) , the other is just really really good.
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yep James is a flopper dude..... James is given WAY too much credit... I cant stand the heat their like the Chiefs and Chargers to me but if I had to pick a guy on the Heat that would Bosh hes always been underrated ....
Bosh is overrated if anything.
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Old 05-22-2014, 06:33 AM   #532
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Bosh is overrated if anything.
There is a reason why he's 3rd fiddle.
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Old 05-24-2014, 11:26 AM   #533
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I think if he checks out Cleveland will take him. He looked fine here.
Bill Simmons of Grantland:
Embiid’s back is fine. I watched him work out last week.

Q: Wait … what? You watched Joel Embiid work out last week?

A: Yes — at a secret location in Santa Monica. He wasn’t playing against anyone, just going through a two-hour workout with Will Perdue. Here’s what I can tell you: He moves around as effortlessly as a 7-foot Serge Ibaka; he’s such an athletic freak that he’s one of those “still going up as he’s finishing the dunk” guys; his freakish wingspan might make Jay Bilas pass out; he has been playing basketball for only four years (which seems impossible); he gave up a world-class volleyball career; he has 3-point range; he can shoot jump-hooks with both hands already; he couldn’t have seemed more coachable/agreeable/likable; he’s a hard worker with a goofy sense of humor; his voice is just a touch Mutombo-y (deep with a heavy African accent); and his friends call him “Jo-Jo.” And again — his back seemed totally fine.

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Old 05-24-2014, 12:03 PM   #534
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Bosh is underrated if anything.
FYP, very good player, comes up in big games time and time again.

Underrated defender/rebounder.
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Old 05-24-2014, 12:08 PM   #535
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Unless Phil Jackson is coming out of retirement it won't matter.
The problem with OKC is more the roster than the coach.
You need to find a 3rd option not named Ibaka. You have 2 first round picks in this upcoming draft, you have to find a guy to compliment Durant and Westbrook.
I think Ibaka is that, but they need more than just RW/KD/Ibaka on offense, Jackson isnt bad but he's inconsistent.

Not sure who they can nab in the draft.
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Yeah but him being their allows the others to freelance. Westbrook can be aggressive and if it breaks down it flows into Ibaka in the lane and he can effect the shot.
Now they cannot do that, they have to stay on their man and try to play them one on one which is not the Thunder's strength and ends up with them being lost on D and the Spurs getting those 3's. Most of those are wide open bunnies.
Pretty much this, wouldnt change everything but it's a layup drill right now with Ibaka out.
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The issue though, they have to rely on them. Westbrook has to do those types of things because when they work they win.
He carried that team at times during the Clippers series when Durant was playing like ****.
They have to draft, sign or trade for a legit 3rd option and make Ibaka the 4th guy. Perkins is a black hole on offense and needs to be phased out for Adams.
So you need to find a SG who can create his own offense and play in the starting lineup.
I think Ibaka can be the 3rd option but after him, and KD/RW it's questionable who can score.

They need shooters who can spread the floor.

Some good options in the draft though.
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Parker/Wiggins are good prospects but i'm not sure either are Lebron/KD/Melo, or even Wade as prospects.

I like Embiid alot, fully understand the concerns with his back but he's oozing with potential.
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Old 05-24-2014, 12:19 PM   #539
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Parker/Wiggins are good prospects but i'm not sure either are Lebron/KD/Melo, or even Wade as prospects.

I like Embiid alot, fully understand the concerns with his back but he's oozing with potential.
I think this is the closest draft to the 03' since then. WIggins and Embiid both have super high ceilings, not quite LBJ imo but close and Parker might as well change his name to Carmelo because he plays just like him.
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Parker/Wiggins are good prospects but i'm not sure either are Lebron/KD/Melo, or even Wade as prospects.

I like Embiid alot, fully understand the concerns with his back but he's oozing with potential.
If Embiid is rumored to weight 265 now and is moving that good in the video, I think that is a easy pick to make.
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Embiid has great potential but you always take the perimeter guy over the big.
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Old 05-24-2014, 02:24 PM   #542
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...WIggins and Embiid both have super high ceilings, not quite LBJ imo but close...
Both could end up being very good players, but I wouldn't expect either one of them to turn out to be LeBron caliber.
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Both could end up being very good players, but I wouldn't expect either one of them to turn out to be LeBron caliber.
I suppose its hard to say considering there's no real basis of comparison. We never saw LeBron's game in college, but obviously chances are neither of these guys comes close to his production.

I did like the idea Simmons floated about the Cavs future. Trade the #1, Bennett, and whoever to the Wolves for Love. Somehow get LeBron back to Cleveland and you're looking at this roster:

LeBron
Kyrie
Waiters
Love
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The cocktail of old vets that would kill to play with the above.

Think you can contend with that? I think so. Doubt it ever happens, but interesting to talk about.
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Underrated defender/rebounder.
Yeah a 6' 11'' guy that averages under 7 RPG even though he plays more than 30 min. Career 8 RPG despite being 6' 11".
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Somehow get LeBron back to Cleveland...

Think you can contend with that?
Charles Barkley is a frequent call in guest on a Philly sports talk radio station I listen to (and he's always absolutely terrific). He called in on Friday and said he thinks LeBron should go back to Cleveland, hopes that he will, and thinks it's a good possibility.

And yes, you can definitely contend with that team!
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Bosh is friggin useless right now
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No wonder you hate Lebron. He gave you some bad memories. He's the best player in the league. Get over it
according to who..... this year Durant won MVP sooooooo don't think so .... GO SPURS....
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Thundercats! Go! Make it a series!

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Bosh is friggin useless right now
Take the win, take the win. Now we need the Heat go up 3-1 tomorrow.

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Thundercats! Go! Make it a series!

ah my Maven...I just clicked on to the Mane and this thread and SWISH.....Spurs get 3....
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