The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Jibba Jabba > War, Religion and Politics Thread
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-18-2013, 09:56 AM   #26
BroncoBeavis
Ring of Famer
 
BroncoBeavis's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 3,019

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DenverBrit View Post
Federal government needs no help in wasting taxpayer's dollars.

Shutting down the government achieved what exactly? Job losses and and estimated $20 plus billion in tax dollars wasted.
And don't forget about all those White House garden veggies that just couldn't be harvested without non-exempt federal help.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/201...kitchen-garden

The horror! The Queen's Garden Lacked Tending! And for WHAT?!?!

The people's relationship with their government is broken. It will have to get much much uglier than this last episode in order to be corrected.
BroncoBeavis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 10:11 AM   #27
Fedaykin
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,943

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBII View Post
That wasn't me who said that. It was the CTO of Rackspace, a Billion dollar hosting company.

Where is Qualifications Inspector Houghtam when I need him?
LMAO, that whole article was FOS. Every "tech expert" they talked about admitted they haven't actually seen the application, yet "believed" it "had" to be 10 year old tech. And the only evidence they provide is that it looks "Web 1.0" from the 90s instead of "Web 2.0" enough to them. Which is ridiculous.

Experts don't behave that way.

Of course, a cursory glance tells me they are using JQuery, CSS layout, some unknown asynchronous framework (including a silly amount of client side rendering), SAML for distributed SSO, and a host of other perfectly "modern" tools and libraries that can be determined by inspecting the external interface. In other words, a pretty typical "Web 2.0" buzzword compliant external interface.

Now, it's possible the back end is some archaic monstrosity, but no one other than the dev group actually knows what they are doing in the back end.

And, the real gem is the idiotic comment about caching. Doesn't matter if you are "Web 2.0" buzzword compliant, caching issues can happen. If you have a javascript file that has a bug and also has a cache coherence issue in the browser, you'll have to clear your cache to get the client to download the patched version.

Looking at it, the problem isn't the technology they are using, the problem is pretty clearly management and timetable.

(btw, I design and build web applications for a living)

Last edited by Fedaykin; 10-18-2013 at 10:21 AM..
Fedaykin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 10:27 AM   #28
BroncoBeavis
Ring of Famer
 
BroncoBeavis's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 3,019

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedaykin View Post
LMAO, that whole article was FOS. Every "tech expert" they talked about admitted they haven't actually seen the application, yet "believed" it "had" to be 10 year old tech.

Experts don't behave that way.

Of course, a cursory glance tells me they are using JQuery, CSS layout, some unknown asynchronous framework (including a silly amount of client side rendering), SAML for distributed SSO, and a host of other perfectly "modern" tools and libraries that can be determined by inspecting the external interface.

And, the real gem is the idiotic comment about caching. Doesn't matter if you are "Web 2.0" buzzword compliant, caching issues can happen. If you have a javascript file that has a bug and also has a cache coherence issue in the browser, you'll have to clear your cache to get the client to download the patched version.

Looking at it, the problem isn't the technology they are using, the problem is pretty clearly management and timetable.

(btw, I design and build web applications for a living)
I'm guessing you're only talking about the front-end, since the back-end hasn't been seen by very many people. But as far as the front-end goes you could be right. From history though, I'm pretty sure we can assume that whatever the government contractors wrote on the back end to interface with federal databases and carrier systems is a complete menagerie,

But that's neither here nor there, since it doesn't really matter as far as the problem goes.

You're right in that the worst problem was that the feds put off many really significant decisions until the last possible moment, including the decision to hide plan pricing until registration was successful. Politics often (usually?) bring considerations into projects that are antithetical to good project design.

But that always applies to both the technical and non-technical areas. And this was not at all hard to foresee, considering many have warned about this kind of epic flop for months. Although so far, it's been beyond even the most hardened skeptics' wildest imaginations.
BroncoBeavis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 10:30 AM   #29
Requiem
~~~
 
Requiem's Avatar
 
~ ~ ~

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Earth Division
Posts: 23,325

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Princes of Tara
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBII View Post
I quoted expert opinion as reported by a major US newspaper. And said literally nothing about it. I can see why you want to manufacture an argument here. But there really isn't one to be had.
Yeah, you quoted a guy who was FOS without knowing anything about what was being said. You took his word with it because it aligned with your beliefs on the subject at hand. Next time due your diligence.
Requiem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 10:39 AM   #30
BroncoBeavis
Ring of Famer
 
BroncoBeavis's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 3,019

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Requiem View Post
Yeah, you quoted a guy who was FOS without knowing anything about what was being said. You took his word with it because it aligned with your beliefs on the subject at hand. Next time due your diligence.
No offense, but you and Hough are going to have to duke it out to determine whether Hough's "Law of Infallible Authority" trumps Req's "Principle of Universally Suspect Authority."

I'm so confused.
BroncoBeavis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 11:14 AM   #31
Fedaykin
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,943

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBII View Post
No offense, but you and Hough are going to have to duke it out to determine whether Hough's "Law of Infallible Authority" trumps Req's "Principle of Universally Suspect Authority."

I'm so confused.
It's actually pretty easy. When a supposed authority makes statements that clearly indicate they are completely pulling **** out of their ass, you can safely ignore them.
Fedaykin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 11:37 AM   #32
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
Don't piss off Manning.
 
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun's Avatar
 
Time to believe!

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Gensis Planet
Posts: 6,432

Adopt-a-Bronco:
C.J. Anderson
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Requiem View Post
Really? No software or user interface is going to be 100% at launch.

Name one health care solutions provider that has their websites and servers running at 100% efficiency.

Hint: There are none.


This is what its like. Nimrod.
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 11:37 AM   #33
Raider Bill
........
 
Raider Bill's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Southern New Joisey
Posts: 4,240
Default

I'm no fan of this administration, nor am I a computer expert, but it looks like this was designed pretty poorly.

Quote:
Truly disastrous architecture calls over 1,000 resources just to load one page
Even though I have only seen the public Javascript code and not the server-side processing code, the Javascript itself is truly disastrous -- on an epic scale.

For example, the Javascript file loaded for each user transfers all error messages, form field messages and front-end error messages from the server to the user's browser repeatedly for each cultural language supported by the system.



Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042428_ob...#ixzz2i6HDEJcn
Raider Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 12:02 PM   #34
Requiem
~~~
 
Requiem's Avatar
 
~ ~ ~

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Earth Division
Posts: 23,325

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Princes of Tara
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun View Post
This is what its like. Nimrod.
Which is hilarious because Apple is ridiculously strict about apps they allow into their marketplace.
Requiem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 12:12 PM   #35
BroncoBeavis
Ring of Famer
 
BroncoBeavis's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 3,019

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedaykin View Post
It's actually pretty easy. When a supposed authority makes statements that clearly indicate they are completely pulling **** out of their ass, you can safely ignore them.
No, I'm told that's not the case. There is no questioning until you have specifically documented your own credentials that mark you more qualified than the source itself.

Thanks be to Houghtam.
BroncoBeavis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 12:14 PM   #36
DenverBrit
Just hanging out.
 
DenverBrit's Avatar
 
Got a breath mint??

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Denver
Posts: 12,423

Adopt-a-Bronco:
The Team
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBII View Post
And don't forget about all those White House garden veggies that just couldn't be harvested without non-exempt federal help.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/201...kitchen-garden

The horror! The Queen's Garden Lacked Tending! And for WHAT?!?!

The people's relationship with their government is broken. It will have to get much much uglier than this last episode in order to be corrected.

Trivialize all you want, it just places you in the Tea Party camp of 'stupid.'

Carry on!!
DenverBrit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 02:13 PM   #37
ant1999e
Ring of Famer
 
ant1999e's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: BFE
Posts: 6,251

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Money Ball
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DenverBrit View Post
Deflect all you want.

That doesn't change the stupidity we have just witnessed from the extremists polluting the GOP.
Who's deflecting? Do you know what the topic of this thread is? Sure isn't the GOP.
ant1999e is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 02:26 PM   #38
BroncoBeavis
Ring of Famer
 
BroncoBeavis's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 3,019

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ant1999e View Post
Who's deflecting? Do you know what the topic of this thread is? Sure isn't the GOP.
He takes his shots where he can.

Not that he has any dog in that fight or anything.
BroncoBeavis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 03:23 PM   #39
houghtam
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 6,396
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBII View Post
No, I'm told that's not the case. There is no questioning until you have specifically documented your own credentials that mark you more qualified than the source itself.

Thanks be to Houghtam.
No, he was right. I could just tell you were pulling stuff out of your ass.



Hallowed be My Name.
houghtam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 04:23 PM   #40
DenverBrit
Just hanging out.
 
DenverBrit's Avatar
 
Got a breath mint??

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Denver
Posts: 12,423

Adopt-a-Bronco:
The Team
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ant1999e View Post
Who's deflecting? Do you know what the topic of this thread is? Sure isn't the GOP.
Ok, I wandered off topic a little and asked a related question, never happens here.

Last edited by DenverBrit; 10-18-2013 at 04:26 PM..
DenverBrit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 04:25 PM   #41
DenverBrit
Just hanging out.
 
DenverBrit's Avatar
 
Got a breath mint??

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Denver
Posts: 12,423

Adopt-a-Bronco:
The Team
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBII View Post
He takes his shots where he can.

Not that he has any dog in that fight or anything.
Sure I do, the US economy. It's that simple.
DenverBrit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 04:27 PM   #42
Requiem
~~~
 
Requiem's Avatar
 
~ ~ ~

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Earth Division
Posts: 23,325

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Princes of Tara
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by houghtam View Post
No, he was right. I could just tell you were pulling stuff out of your ass.



Hallowed be My Name.
"At the end of the Thomas Gospel, the disciples ask, 'When will the kingdom come?' And Jesus answers, 'The kingdom will not come by expectation. The kingdom of the Father is spread over the earth and men do not see it.'"

Boom. Thomas throws a wrench into BBII favorite historical record.
Requiem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 09:33 PM   #43
BroncoBeavis
Ring of Famer
 
BroncoBeavis's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 3,019

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Requiem View Post
"At the end of the Thomas Gospel, the disciples ask, 'When will the kingdom come?' And Jesus answers, 'The kingdom will not come by expectation. The kingdom of the Father is spread over the earth and men do not see it.'"

Boom. Thomas throws a wrench into BBII favorite historical record.
2000 years from now, people may find and quote Gaff about what happened on 9/11. Should that be as accepted as the mainstream understanding of our day?
BroncoBeavis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2013, 09:57 AM   #44
The Lone Bolt
Ring of Famer
 
The Lone Bolt's Avatar
 
GO CHARGERS!!!!

Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Boredom Capital of the Universe (Everett, WA)
Posts: 3,219
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun View Post


This is what its like. Nimrod.
Only it isn't. It's "apps" you do need and only think you don't. And if you don't pay for them and eventually use them anyway somebody else is forced to pay.
The Lone Bolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2013, 11:19 AM   #45
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
Don't piss off Manning.
 
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun's Avatar
 
Time to believe!

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Gensis Planet
Posts: 6,432

Adopt-a-Bronco:
C.J. Anderson
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Requiem View Post
Really? No software or user interface is going to be 100% at launch.

Name one health care solutions provider that has their websites and servers running at 100% efficiency.

Hint: There are none.
Yeah, kinda like that!
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2013, 11:32 AM   #46
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
Don't piss off Manning.
 
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun's Avatar
 
Time to believe!

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Gensis Planet
Posts: 6,432

Adopt-a-Bronco:
C.J. Anderson
Default

I wonder where you guys get your news now? The bottom of the dumpster behind the white house?



UltimateHoboW/Shotgun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2013, 03:00 PM   #47
Arkie
Ring of Famer
 
Arkie's Avatar
 
Say 'what' again, I dare you

Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 10,467
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt View Post
Only it isn't. It's "apps" you do need and only think you don't. And if you don't pay for them and eventually use them anyway somebody else is forced to pay.
Somebody else is coerced.
Arkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2013, 03:19 PM   #48
Fedaykin
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,943

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkie View Post
Somebody else is coerced.
The only way an insurance model works is if everyone who *might* need it (which in the case of health care, is effectively 100%) pays premiums. And everyone pays for other people's health care one way or the other.

This is, of course, why treating health care as an optional, insurable thing is completely insane. Everyone will need health care; including non-trivial care.

The only way treating health care as an optional, insurable thing makes any sense whatsoever is if we are willing to just let people (including lots and lots of children) suffer and/or die. Are you willing to do that?
Fedaykin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2013, 04:12 PM   #49
Drunken.Broncoholic2
Pickled in orange & blue
 
Drunken.Broncoholic2's Avatar
 
OnLyNiNjAsCaNrEaDtHiSQuOtE

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Carmel, Ca
Posts: 5,793

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Asking Verizon to fix their problems.

They can't even get their websites fixed and we expect them to run Americas health care?
Drunken.Broncoholic2 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2013, 04:13 PM   #50
Drunken.Broncoholic2
Pickled in orange & blue
 
Drunken.Broncoholic2's Avatar
 
OnLyNiNjAsCaNrEaDtHiSQuOtE

Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Carmel, Ca
Posts: 5,793

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun View Post
Yeah, kinda like that!
Rep
Drunken.Broncoholic2 is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:25 PM.


Denver Broncos