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Old 10-15-2013, 07:05 AM   #76
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Were Democrats an embarrassment in 2006?
You're an embarrassment in 2013 and a waste of time.

A typical teabagger.
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You're an embarrassment in 2013 and a waste of time.

A typical teabagger.
Says the Cheerleader who only cries foul when turnabout becomes fair.
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Were Democrats an embarrassment in 2006?

Do 2 wrongs make a right?

Does political showboating equate to ill advised action?
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:50 AM   #79
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Reports from the Hill this AM (National Review Online) say that a fanatical corps of Right Wingers in the House are still making calls and clinging to the ultimatum that if Obamacare funding is not on the table, they will refuse to move and will block anybody else that tries to bypass them. They will get what they want or bring the government down.
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:54 AM   #80
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Do 2 wrongs make a right?

Does political showboating equate to ill advised action?
We're not talking about some guarded criticism here. We're talking about people watching something that's gone on for decades (so far as the debt ceiling goes) and then when they see someone they don't like do it, suddenly act like it's the craziest thing they've ever seen.

It's pure Rah Rah Go Team stuff.
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:58 AM   #81
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We're not talking about some guarded criticism here. We're talking about people watching something that's gone on for decades (so far as the debt ceiling goes) and then when they see someone they don't like do it, suddenly act like it's the craziest thing they've ever seen.

It's pure Rah Rah Go Team stuff.
In 2006, it was rah rah go team stuff.

Currently it's "we didn't get what we want, so **** EVERYTHING"
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Not much you can do with people who, based on their ideology, refuse to accept evidence.
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:15 AM   #83
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Says the Cheerleader who only cries foul when turnabout becomes fair.
Are you bi polar? Look at the thread title. If you want to discuss what the other party was doing in 2006, start a thread.

You might as well, you've deflected your brains out on this topic.

Does the Tea Party embarrass you or not?? Simple question.
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In 2006, it was rah rah go team stuff.

Currently it's "we didn't get what we want, so **** EVERYTHING"
Read up on the history, my man.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-debt-ceiling/

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Time and again, lawmakers have used the “must-pass” nature of the debt limit to force changes in unrelated laws. Often, the effort fails — as the GOP drive to repeal Obamacare almost certainly will. But Kowalcky and LeLoup speculate that one reason why Congress has not eliminated the debt limit, despite the political problems it poses, is because lawmakers enjoy the leverage it provides against the executive branch.
There’s an old reporter’s rule that you want to avoid using the word “unprecedented.” Otherwise, a professor might call or e-mail the next day to dispute it.
Let’s add this rule for politicians: Never say “never.”

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Old 10-15-2013, 08:28 AM   #85
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Are you bi polar? Look at the thread title. If you want to discuss what the other party was doing in 2006, start a thread.

You might as well, you've deflected your brains out on this topic.

Does the Tea Party embarrass you or not?? Simple question.
That last line shows the real flaw here. Your desperation to lump people into homogenous think groups. "Are you wit 'em or agin' 'em?!?!"

I've said over and over again that default isn't a real option. I'm sure there are Tea Partiers who believe the same. And there are those who don't. I feel no need to wash my hands of some because of the actions of others.

Like I've said before. Democrats in the Senate caucus with a self-described Socialist. Does that taint embarrass you?

The reality is, it doesn't have to if you stick to the realm of ideas above teams.
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Edmund Burke said it best: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

I'd take that same sentiment and apply it towards the current fight, though I don't think people who support the ACA are evil - just misguided and unaware of the real damage that it's set to cause.

As far as disagreements with goals/tactics - what I've learned in life, if nothing at all, is that just getting out there and doing something beats every carefully calculated strategy that doesn't get off the ground due to this or that criteria that isn't just right.

People are welcome to disagree with methods all they want, but if in the disagreement over methods they forget that there's a fight, then what use are they in that fight? None that I can see.
I see that 'The ends justify the means' and let's throw the baby out with the bathwater' mentality is in full vogue.
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That's a very cute attempt at changing the subject. You're a pretty daft fella.
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The democrats have formed their own suicide caucus and are going to permanently shut down the government and default if they don't get single payer and a minimum wage of $25/hr. Your move Boehner.
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That's a very cute attempt at changing the subject. You're a pretty daft fella.
Yeah that whole 50 year history of Washington doing exactly what you're saying is "Tea Party Crazy" is totally irrelevant.

You're going to regurgitate the Obama line no matter how many Pinocchios it earns.
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lulz.

We may very well see something like this in the future for real. How else is one side going to negotiate with crazy without throwing out crazy back for negotiation purposes. This thing will go full retard before it's all over. (as if it hasn't already)
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It will be interesting to see what happens on Friday. I am not sure of the exact procedures but I believes the president and treasury gets full discretion when it comes to spending in a situation when the debt ceiling is hit.
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Nah, this is the TeaTards party. We'll be paid in gold coins!
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It will be interesting to see what happens on Friday. I am not sure of the exact procedures but I believes the president and treasury gets full discretion when it comes to spending in a situation when the debt ceiling is hit.
They do. In theory they determine who is paid first and who is left in the cold, but because the IT systems are not designed to work that way, we are going to have problem.
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I see that 'The ends justify the means' and let's throw the baby out with the bathwater' mentality is in full vogue.
It has been for some time. Isn't that how Obamacare got passed? Passing the ACA using an "ends justify the means" mentality is what got us to the point we are today. If he had managed to get Republican buy-in on the bill, then we wouldn't see this stand-off - instead, you'd have a quorum of people working together to make certain the program is a success.

When you use budget tricks to pass unpopular bills, you get blowback. Obama created this situation. The Tea Party was just a few people on Ron Paul forums before the Democrats passed a sweeping reform using budgetary shenanigans.
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It will be interesting to see what happens on Friday. I am not sure of the exact procedures but I believes the president and treasury gets full discretion when it comes to spending in a situation when the debt ceiling is hit.
This is correct. The choice to default on the loans will be Obama's. He will have discretion to prioritize payments to avoid a default, or to willfully default.
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It has been for some time. Isn't that how Obamacare got passed? Passing the ACA using an "ends justify the means" mentality is what got us to the point we are today. If he had managed to get Republican buy-in on the bill, then we wouldn't see this stand-off - instead, you'd have a quorum of people working together to make certain the program is a success.

When you use budget tricks to pass unpopular bills, you get blowback. Obama created this situation. The Tea Party was just a few people on Ron Paul forums before the Democrats passed a sweeping reform using budgetary shenanigans.
Health care is the number one budgetary crisis of this nation and the Republicans had no intention of doing anything about it, other than blocking any and all reform. I don't agree with what Obama did, but I can sure as hell understand why he did it.
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They do. In theory they determine who is paid first and who is left in the cold, but because the IT systems are not designed to work that way, we are going to have problem.
This is only partially true. Obama can't really prioritize individuals, but he can prioritize check runs. Paying off the interest will still be possible on the 18th. The system can prioritize that check run over, say, welfare. They're not interspresed.

THe interest is actually a very small amount compared to the rest of the spending.
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Health care is the number one budgetary crisis of this nation and the Republicans had no intention of doing anything about it, other than blocking any and all reform. I don't agree with what Obama did, but I can sure as hell understand why he did it.
This is hyperbole. I don't doubt that you believe it though. The Republicans have long advocated healthcare savings accounts and other market based reforms, and to this day still do.

To that end, the Republicans announced a new plan last month that they will be campaigning on next year as they push for a repeal:

http://rsc.scalise.house.gov/solutio...-betterway.htm

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