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Old 09-30-2013, 11:33 PM   #1
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Aside from damaging our economy which will hit all of our pocketbooks and slow our already slow recovery, here's another 48 terrible things:


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Anyone who might get sick: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) would lack funding to support its annual flu vaccination program.

Military personnel: Barring last-minute congressional action, members of the armed forces would have their paychecks put on hold while they continue to work.

People who use boats: The Coast Guard will cut back on routine patrols and navigation assistance.

Civilian defense employees: 400,000 Department of Defense employees will be given unpaid vacations.

Family members of fallen soldiers: Death benefits for military families will be delayed.

Gun owners: During the 1990s shutdown, applications for gun permits were delayed due to furloughs at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Trees: Hundreds of US Forest Service workers face furloughs in California during peak forest fire season.

Visa applicants: Furloughs at the State Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs mean tens of thousands of visa applications are put on hold.

People traveling abroad: A shutdown would cause delays in the processing of passport applications.

Sick people: The National Institutes of Health will not admit new patients unless ordered by the director.

Factory workers: The Occupational Safety and Health Administration will halt regular inspections.

Hikers: All 401 National Park Service sites will be closed.

People who make money off tourists: Shuttered national parks are bad news for the hotels, restaurants, and other attractions that feed off them.

Small business loan applicants: The Small Business Administration will furlough 62 percent of its workforce.

Employers: The Department of Homeland Security's e-Verify program will be offline for the duration of the shutdown.

Fountains: 45 of them will lose water.

People applying for mortgages: The Federal Housing Administration and the USDA won't guarantee new loans.

Oil and gas exploration: The Bureau of Land Management will stop processing permits for oil and gas drilling on federal lands.

Chemical site facility security: Funding for Department of Homeland Security regulatory program ends October 4.

FOIA requests: The Social Security Administration says it won't respond to Freedom of Information Act Requests during the shutdown.

Docents: All Smithsonian Institution museums in Washington, DC, will be closed.

@CuriosityRover: 98 percent of NASA's staff will be furloughed, and the agency's website and live-streams will go dark.

Renewable energy permits: The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management will stop all new offshore renewable-energy projects.

Campers: People living (or vacationing) in national parks and forests will have 48 hours to relocate.

Animal voyeurs: Watch the National Zoo's Panda-cam while you still can.

Native Americans: The Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement will suspend oversight of active and abandoned coal mines "primarily in Tennessee and on Indian lands."

Pesticide regulators: The Environmental Protection Agency will all but shut down at midnight.

Veterans pensions: The Department of Veterans Affairs says it will run out of funding for regular payment checks after a few weeks.

US Geological Survey researchers: The agency would stop most new scientific research and water analysis.

Disability payments: Although the VA will continue to provide medical care, disability payments may also be disrupted after a few weeks.

Winery permits: Couldn't they take the wine coolers instead?

Ponies: The Bureau of Land Management's wild horse and burro adoption programs would cease.

Infectious disease surveillance: The CDC will be unable to track outbreaks and monitor infectious diseases at a local level.

People on food assistance: The USDA's Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC) will stop making payments on October 1.

Food inspections: The Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration warned of "inability to investigate alleged violations" due to a lack of funding; food imports will also go unexpected.

Automobile recall inspectors: "Routine defects and recall information from manufacturers and consumers would not be reviewed," according to the Department of Transportation.

Food and drug safety research: The Department of Health and Human Services, which includes the FDA, will furlough 52 percent of its staff.

ARPA-E: The Department of Energy's cutting-edge research armóand one of the crowning legacies of the stimulusówill shut down, putting projects such as "squirtable batteries" on hold.

Nuclear Regulatory Commission: The agency could furlough more than 92 percent of its employees next week, with much of the remaining staff handling inspections.

People without heat: If the shutdown persists, it could affect the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, which funds heating assistance programs.

Consumers: The Commodity Futures Trading Commission will furlough 652 of its 680 employees and maintain only a "bare minimum level of oversight and surveillance" to stop fraudulent practices.

People trying to pay taxes: The Internal Revenue Service will shutter its tax hotline, and stop processing tax payments.

College students: Cutbacks at the Department of Education could slow Pell grant and student-loan payments.

Economists: The Bureau of Economic Analysis will cut back on its data collection.

Welfare recipients: Temporary Assistance for Needy Familiesówelfareóruns out of funding on October 1, although individual states may pick up the tab.

Head Start: The child development program, already hammered by the effects of sequestration, will stop doling out new grants on October 1.

Air monitoring: A 94 percent reduction in staff won't leave the EPA much room to enforce its new carbon regulations.

Golf: Courses at National Park Service sites will close for the shutdown. So at least we have that going for us.
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:35 PM   #2
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I see a lot of benefits in there.
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:38 PM   #3
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So basically, most people won't even notice.
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I say they go down that list one by one and fund some of the important stuff, and turn over the rest of it to the states.
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Let's not forget: Unemployment rate just doubled, meaning none of those people are getting paid, and none of the businesses that they patronize will be getting any profit from them for quite a while.

Oh yeah, and wait till we default on debts, and suddenly interest rates (effecting anyone who has borrowed or will borrow money, and anyone who invests) double or triple overnight.

If this goes on long enough, welcome to another big recession.
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The recession was never fixed Fedaykin.

Let me make this real simple. Let's say your family got in some financial trouble and couldn't meet your obligations. Your car payment is due, mortgage due, you are behind on your taxes. In order to "fix" the problem you do a massive cash advance on your credit card and manage to catch your car and house payments up and get the IRS off your back temporarily with a one time payment. Now you have a huge expensive interest payment to your credit card company.

Did you really fix anything? Or perhaps it may have been "healthier" in the long run to let them repo your car (because wife still has one), perhaps get far enough behind on the morgage to where the bank rewrote your loan (sadly banks have been rewarding people who are way behind instead of those just a little behind) and you negotiated monthly payments to the IRS that were manageable.
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The recession was never fixed Fedaykin.

Let me make this real simple. Let's say your family got in some financial trouble and couldn't meet your obligations. Your car payment is due, mortgage due, you are behind on your taxes. In order to "fix" the problem you do a massive cash advance on your credit card and manage to catch your car and house payments up and get the IRS off your back temporarily with a one time payment. Now you have a huge expensive interest payment to your credit card company.

Did you really fix anything? Or perhaps it may have been "healthier" in the long run to let them repo your car (because wife still has one), perhaps get far enough behind on the morgage to where the bank rewrote your loan (sadly banks have been rewarding people who are way behind instead of those just a little behind) and you negotiated monthly payments to the IRS that were manageable.
Total crap. This has taken a bad situation, and made it worse. Trying to compare the federal government to a family budget is pretty stupid -- as has been gone over hundreds of times on this forum.

What needs to happen is for our illustrious leaders to work together to find a reasonable compromise. Not just say **** it and push the big red button.

Now instead of just having a budget problem, we have a budget problem and another nail in our already fragile economy. Right before the most important season for businesses. It's complete foolishness.
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Total crap. This has taken a bad situation, and made it worse. Trying to compare the federal government to a family budget is pretty stupid -- as has been gone over hundreds of times on this forum.

What needs to happen is for our illustrious leaders to work together to find a reasonable compromise. Not just say **** it and push the big red button.

Now instead of just having a budget problem, we have a budget problem and another nail in our already fragile economy. Right before the most important season for businesses. It's complete foolishness.
You say it's BS? Facing a problem head on vs denial? Did you not psychology 101 in college? Where have you ever read that being in denial will solve alcoholism? Or perhaps pretending to not have a gambling addiction will fix it?

Admitting you have a problem (in our case a spending problem/debt problem) is the first step of the 12 step process to recovery.
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You say it's BS? Facing a problem head on vs denial? Did you not psychology 101 in college? Where have you ever read that being in denial will solve alcoholism? Or perhaps pretending to not have a gambling addiction will fix it?

Admitting you have a problem (in our case a spending problem/debt problem) is the first step of the 12 step process to recovery.
You're just as bad a TJ. Where did I say there was no problem? Stop with the bull**** strawmen. Act with integrity.
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Most of those are State services...not Fed services, good grief.
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I say they go down that list one by one and fund some of the important stuff, and turn over the rest of it to the states.
That's optimistic thinking and trust me, I wish that were the case. Instead this closure will end up costing the gov't more. Just watch the insanity.
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Total crap. This has taken a bad situation, and made it worse. Trying to compare the federal government to a family budget is pretty stupid -- as has been gone over hundreds of times on this forum.

What needs to happen is for our illustrious leaders to work together to find a reasonable compromise. Not just say **** it and push the big red button.

Now instead of just having a budget problem, we have a budget problem and another nail in our already fragile economy. Right before the most important season for businesses. It's complete foolishness.
Or maybe what needs to happen is Americans need to take responsibility for what is going on. I'm to blame for this for allowing this to happen.

So you don't like relating our debt problems to personal ones. Ok fine. How about this.

It's as if our country has cancer. We give ourselves chemo blasts every couple years and manage to knock it down and go into remission but then what. It comes back and often stronger! Between remissions we convince ourselves everything is fine. DENIAL. We have to kill the cancer and the cancer is our nations DEBT. Debt causes tremendous amounts of stress with people. It makes people do things they wouldn't dream of otherwise. It breaks up marriages and families. The people trapped in the situation try to make more and more money but it doesn't fix the problem if they don't slow spending and actually pay down the debt!

Look I can't make it anymore clear if you won't face the truth of what our cancer is. It's the debt. Are the republicans using Obamacare as a reason to face the debt. Sure they are. Next time it will be the democrats using the debt to prevent the R's from doing something.

Bottom line is if our country was HEALTHY and growing properly the revenues would be coming in to create jobs, fund health care insurance for the poor, fund federal projects. INSTEAD we have an unsustainable system that is setting up more and more pain for the future as we are living in DENIAL.
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The best part is when they all return to work they will get all their back pay and benefits..........so enjoy your paid vacation and don't go to a National Park but Disney Land is open for business.
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I say they go down that list one by one and fund some of the important stuff, and turn over the rest of it to the states.
Many states, including the majority of red states, can't make it without federal support. The reason they are able to forestall becoming basically third world countries, is that more successful states pitch in and keep them afloat. It's called socialism. Withdraw that federal support and they collapse.
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If they are going to give Federal workers unpaid vacations, let's start with the politicians.

Maybe if they stay home, some work will get done.
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If they are going to give Federal workers unpaid vacations, let's start with the politicians.

Maybe if they stay home, some work will get done.
At least they could take a few days and sober up.

But of course, the politicians have exempted themselves from the ill effects of all of their actions.
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If they are going to give Federal workers unpaid vacations, let's start with the politicians.

Maybe if they stay home, some work will get done.
This right here is the benefit to the shut down. All across Facebook, conversations at the barber shop, everyone is saying let's stop paying the politicians.

The longer this shut down goes the more people will say it. Hopefully it goes viral on the internet and maybe some protests will form. We need an occupy wall street at every state capital protesting our politicians. Oh wait a second I've just become a home grown terrorist for suggesting such a thing. That's what they will label anyone trying to organize a peaceful protest these days.
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Most of those are state run and collected at the state level. Obviously some of those are state run and federally funded, but I am okay with it.
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so if this cause the unemployment rate to go up will you rightards blame the dems?cuz right now you are saying it's not a big deal.
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so if this cause the unemployment rate to go up will you rightards blame the dems?cuz right now you are saying it's not a big deal.
The claim will be the ACA did it...
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Weeping boy Boner said that the house should be judged on how many bills it has repealed. so far it has failed to repeal obamacare 42 times.
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On leave without pay today until dip****s in Congress figure it out. Frankly I am a little pissed. GFY congress. At least that will give my ass a rest. It was a bit sore because I didn't prepare it properly. Thankfully though I can go get Obamacare today and get someone to treat it.
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Or maybe what needs to happen is Americans need to take responsibility for what is going on. I'm to blame for this for allowing this to happen.

So you don't like relating our debt problems to personal ones. Ok fine. How about this.

It's as if our country has cancer. We give ourselves chemo blasts every couple years and manage to knock it down and go into remission but then what. It comes back and often stronger! Between remissions we convince ourselves everything is fine. DENIAL. We have to kill the cancer and the cancer is our nations DEBT. Debt causes tremendous amounts of stress with people. It makes people do things they wouldn't dream of otherwise. It breaks up marriages and families. The people trapped in the situation try to make more and more money but it doesn't fix the problem if they don't slow spending and actually pay down the debt!

Look I can't make it anymore clear if you won't face the truth of what our cancer is. It's the debt. Are the republicans using Obamacare as a reason to face the debt. Sure they are. Next time it will be the democrats using the debt to prevent the R's from doing something.

Bottom line is if our country was HEALTHY and growing properly the revenues would be coming in to create jobs, fund health care insurance for the poor, fund federal projects. INSTEAD we have an unsustainable system that is setting up more and more pain for the future as we are living in DENIAL.

Again again, where the hell did I say there was not a problem? Why are you so desperate to misrepresent me?
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Again again, where the hell did I say there was not a problem? Why are you so desperate to misrepresent me?
The dems already agred to billion in cuts that the right wanted. meck can't comprehend this.shutting down the government because we have debt makes no sense.
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Or maybe what needs to happen is Americans need to take responsibility for what is going on. I'm to blame for this for allowing this to happen.

So you don't like relating our debt problems to personal ones. Ok fine. How about this.

It's as if our country has cancer. We give ourselves chemo blasts every couple years and manage to knock it down and go into remission but then what. It comes back and often stronger! Between remissions we convince ourselves everything is fine. DENIAL. We have to kill the cancer and the cancer is our nations DEBT. Debt causes tremendous amounts of stress with people. It makes people do things they wouldn't dream of otherwise. It breaks up marriages and families. The people trapped in the situation try to make more and more money but it doesn't fix the problem if they don't slow spending and actually pay down the debt!

Look I can't make it anymore clear if you won't face the truth of what our cancer is. It's the debt. Are the republicans using Obamacare as a reason to face the debt. Sure they are. Next time it will be the democrats using the debt to prevent the R's from doing something.

Bottom line is if our country was HEALTHY and growing properly the revenues would be coming in to create jobs, fund health care insurance for the poor, fund federal projects. INSTEAD we have an unsustainable system that is setting up more and more pain for the future as we are living in DENIAL.
Our debt is but a symptom not the underlying problem.
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