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Old 10-03-2013, 07:01 PM   #101
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You have no brain, and even less of a clue. Socialism doesn't work. Never has, and never will.

You live your life trembling at the thought of death as you hasten toward it. I live my life without fear, and am well prepared for my last day.

Sucks to be you.
That is, until you think someone is coming for your guns or raising your taxes too high.

Then you cry like a little girl and post overly dramatic things like "this, you shall not take" on discussion forums, and everyone laughs at you pissing your panties.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:34 PM   #102
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You have no brain, and even less of a clue. Socialism doesn't work. Never has, and never will.

You live your life trembling at the thought of death as you hasten toward it. I live my life without fear, and am well prepared for my last day.

Sucks to be you.
Whereas capitalism has produced the world we live in today.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:37 PM   #103
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Whereas capitalism has produced the world we live in today.
Government exists to create an environment where free market economies can exist.

It is there to put down tyranny, reduce monopolies, and preserve freedom. Exactly the opposite of what this administration promotes.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:40 PM   #104
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That is, until you think someone is coming for your guns or raising your taxes too high.

Then you cry like a little girl and post overly dramatic things like "this, you shall not take" on discussion forums, and everyone laughs at you pissing your panties.
You are wrong. I am laughing at you. You think that other people are your slave, and that they will "bend over" to you.

Besides being morally bankrupt and disgusting, you are in fact the one who is crying. Have your law, pay your insurance, and I truly that hope your heart is content in the cage that you have built yourself. Tyranny is what you promote as you remain in serfdom.

I will always be free.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:42 PM   #105
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Government exists to create an environment where free market economies can exist.

It is there to put down tyranny, reduce monopolies, and preserve freedom. Exactly the opposite of what this administration promotes.
Really? I would say we've done enough by taking down Glass/Steagle, massively reducing the corporate tax rate, and cutting the capital gains rate in half. What did that get us? Reagan slashed the top rate from 70% to 28%. That wasn't enough? And what has capitalism given us in return? So you're saying that if we create even more of a "free" market, things will get even better?
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:50 PM   #106
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Really? I would say we've done enough by taking down Glass/Steagle, massively reducing the corporate tax rate, and cutting the capital gains rate in half. What did that get us? Reagan slashed the top rate from 70% to 28%. That wasn't enough? And what has capitalism given us in return? So you're saying that if create even more of a "free" market, things will get even better?
The US corporate tax rate remains the highest in the world.

Capitalism has created more freedom, prosperity, and wealth than the world has ever seen. Is it perfect? No. Greed is rampant. Usurious practices threaten to collapse the entire system. That is what a government is supposed to protect against. It's not supposed to suppress the very freedom that creates prosperity.

You call a "free" market government induced spending bubbles? These bubbles have been on the rise ever since the dollar has been on the fall. The fed targets a 2% inflation rate, so that we are forced to spend our money when we otherwise wouldn't (during recession). Now, they print money and you call that a "free market"?
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The US corporate tax rate remains the highest in the world.

Capitalism has created more freedom, prosperity, and wealth than the world has ever seen. Is it perfect? No. Greed is rampant. Usurious practices threaten to collapse the entire system. That is what a government is supposed to protect against. It's not supposed to suppress the very freedom that creates prosperity.

You call a "free" market government induced spending bubbles? These bubbles have been on the rise ever since the dollar has been on the fall. The fed targets a 2% inflation rate, so that we are forced to spend our money when we otherwise wouldn't (during recession). Now, they print money and you call that a "free market"?
The top corporations in the U.S. are not only not paying whatever their tax rate might be on paper, they're getting federal subsidies to do business. You call that a free market?
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:03 PM   #108
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The top corporations in the U.S. are not only not paying whatever their tax rate might be on paper, they're getting federal subsidies to do business. You call that a free market?
You b**** and moan about a few select corporations that the Democrat-controlled US government doesn't do crap about?

Harry Reid hasn't done a damn thing in the Senate (except table or vote down common-sense legislation) for the past 5 years.

Cut the damn corporate rate, and close the loopholes! We've been screaming that from the mountaintops for the last 5 years.

The House must have passed hundreds of bills to fix the very problem you speak of, yet Obama and Reid shoot everything down.
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You b**** and moan about a few select corporations that the Democrat-controlled US government doesn't do crap about?

Harry Reid hasn't done a damn thing in the Senate (except table or vote down common-sense legislation) for the past 5 years.

Cut the damn corporate rate, and close the loopholes! We've been screaming that from the mountaintops for the last 5 years.

The House must have passed hundreds of bills to fix the very problem you speak of, yet Obama and Reid shoot everything down.
The biggest buyers of government are found on Wall Street. You think they haven't got what they wanted from both parties for the last thirty years? Do you think they haven't rigged the game to funnel the majority of wealth to themselves? Talk about redistribution! You think both parties don't collude to provide for their corporate sponsors? The Rethuglicans were in charge for years. Under them, this kind of tax cutting/deregulating legislation exploded. Now, you want to come blame it on the other party? And with Citizens United and now McCutcheon, expect this kind of corruption to grow exponentially. Tell me all about the blessings of capitalism. I can look around and see the wreckage these capitalists have made of my country.
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:29 AM   #110
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Go back and look at those shutdowns. They were over budget numbers. Some of them lasted only hours. Most lasted no more than two days. One was because they just didn't get around to it. Was there a single shutdown like this, where extremists held the country hostage in order to take down a law they didn't like? Nope. And you don't think the extremists won't do the same thing about the debt ceiling? Another case of false equivalency.
Exactly. Why this false equivalency continues to be thrown around here is beyond me.
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:36 AM   #111
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It worked out pretty good actually. Reid looked pretty silly denying healthcare to those needing it from the NIH, and the veteran thing is being pointed at Obama. The Republicans did a really good job with the visuals on that one. You must have thought that I thought that it would be a home run or something? I was just reporting on the tactic because this place seems more interested in bickering with each other than actually following politics. The circle jerk aside, I noted that my threads following the actual happenings of the day make up the top three threads, so I must be doing something right.

In any case, I'm not sure why you think the GOP is looking all that bad. I can only guess that you're getting all your news from a liberal echo chamber. My political news surfing takes a pretty broad path, and it's not looking as bad for the Republicans as you think it is. Pretty well, both sides are taking plenty of hits out there - though not on MSNBC, where Republicans are taking 100% of the blame. No one cares about MSNBC except the wonkiest of political wonks, which include me - I am an avid follower of Morning Joe, Hardball, and Maddow.

This has the potential of going on for some time. They're talking about a grand bargain, but Boehner will be seen as a loser unless he walks away with a year delay in the individual mandate. I'm starting to wonder if we're going to go off the fiscal cliff.
I'm hopeful that Obama is just holding his chips back for the real game in a couple weeks. Also hopeful that Boehner will not be willing to go over the cliff. I think something will get done on the line of a very small bargain.

But I'm not banking on it. I've already prepared for the worst. I recommend everyone else do the same before it's too late.
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Bad News is everywhere for the Republican Party. Even the Fox News poll has found disapproval of the Republican Party jumping to 59% in their latest poll.

According to the Fox News poll, disapproval of the Republican Party has jumped from 46% in September of 2012 to 59% today. Disapproval of the GOP has climbed from 54% in January to 56% in April to nearing 60% today. Approval of the Republican Party has fallen from 45% to 35%. In contrast, Democratic Party unfavorability has stayed stable in the Fox poll at between 48% and 49% all through 2013.

Support for repealing the ACA has dropped from 39% in June to 30% today. This could mean that the linking of funding the government to defunding or delaying the ACA has completely backfired on the Republican Party. The number of Americans who think that they will be better off under Obamacare has risen by 7 points from 34% to 41%, and by a margin of 36%-19% respondents thought that Ted Cruz’s fake filibuster hurt efforts to repeal the ACA
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You can't make this shet up. party before country!

Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shutdown Concerns

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) were caught on a hot mic Wednesday discussing talking-points for the shutdown by local news station WPSD 6.

"I just did CNN and I just go over and over again 'We're willing to compromise. We're willing to negotiate.' I think... I don't think they poll tested we won't negotiate. I think it's awful for [Democrats] to say that over and over again," Paul said.
"Yeah, I do too and I, and I just came back from that two hour meeting with them and that, and that was basically the same view privately as it was publicly," McConnell agreed.

Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...ml?ir=Politics
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Old 10-04-2013, 05:52 PM   #114
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The biggest buyers of government are found on Wall Street. You think they haven't got what they wanted from both parties for the last thirty years? Do you think they haven't rigged the game to funnel the majority of wealth to themselves? Talk about redistribution! You think both parties don't collude to provide for their corporate sponsors? The Rethuglicans were in charge for years. Under them, this kind of tax cutting/deregulating legislation exploded. Now, you want to come blame it on the other party? And with Citizens United and now McCutcheon, expect this kind of corruption to grow exponentially. Tell me all about the blessings of capitalism. I can look around and see the wreckage these capitalists have made of my country.
Capitalists have made a wreckage of your country? Public debt has made a wreckage of your country, and continues to. Yet you want the government to spend more.

High labor costs have contributed to the wreckage of your country, yet you want higher taxes and more anti-business regulation.


Balance the budget, lower the corporate tax rate, and close the loopholes. Problem solved.

Communism/Socialism doesn't work, never has and never will.
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