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Old 09-29-2013, 08:20 PM   #126
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Here's the Broncos pass-rush stats from the 1st half. Vick barely escaped at least 2 first half drive-killing sacks with his elite speed.
Maybe you've never watched Vick play before, but he inflates those stats with his style of play. He holds onto the ball too long and tries to make something out of every play. He gets hit after his throws a lot because of this. Yes, in the first half we sometimes got pressure on him and he scrambled out of it. But I also recall more than a few plays where he had far too much time in a clean pocket. We did much better in the 2nd half.
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Old 09-29-2013, 08:25 PM   #127
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We need to give credit where it is due. When Vick is on and running well and they avoid turnovers the Eagles have an O that is pretty scary. The D can't really attack the QB in the same way or he will run wild. They have a great running back and very good O-line. Vick made lemonade out of lemons about 6 times this game.

And we held them to 13 points until garbage time. And do you remember when we had Von against Cam Newton?

This D is very good and gonna move to scary once Von returns.
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Old 09-29-2013, 08:26 PM   #128
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This defense looks great even with it's best player out. Just wait til Von comes back and we really get a pass rush to go with our lock down corners. Plus add Champ in the mix with that too.
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Old 09-29-2013, 08:49 PM   #129
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Old 09-29-2013, 08:57 PM   #130
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Maybe you've never watched Vick play before.
Maybe you didn't watch the game. Broncos Defense held the Eagles starter's to 13 points, while harassing, hitting, knocking-down, and sacking the NFL's most elusive QB on a vast majority of his drop-backs.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:01 PM   #131
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Maybe you didn't watch the game. Broncos Defense held the Eagles starter's to 13 points, while harassing, hitting, knocking-down, and sacking the NFL's most elusive QB on a vast majority of his drop-backs.
But they got lots of yards so our defense must totally suck!!!
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:04 PM   #132
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Subtract the inevitable yardage Vick was going to get no matter what on the ground (41 yards) and add in the fact that McCoy was held to 4.5 ypc instead of his customary 6.9 and you're left with the best rushing team in the league compiling an inaequate running game that logged about 120 yard on the ground from the running backs...not nearly enough in a game like this. Put another way...this offense ran up something like 430 yards last week in spite of 4 turnovers. They didn't turn it over at all in this game, but imagine what the score would have been if they had? I'm sticking to my assessment, that his defense is nasty. It's fast, deep, loaded with playmakers and deep at every position. And we don't even have Champ or Miller in there yet. Denver needed to contain an explosive offense built on speed and keep them from big plays, which for the most part is what they did. Keep in mind...these guys haven't even played together for any length of time yet. Ihenacho is brand new, and so is DRC and Knighton. WWIII is brand new to the MLB spot, Danny Trevathan is a new starter, and Nate Irving is just starting to even approach his potential...this is a guy who almost died just a couple years ago and he's lucky to even be alive let alone playing in the NFL. When this bunch gets some familiarity with each other and grows in Del Rio's system, we're gong to have a monster defense here...wait and see. This is already probably a top 5 group on the back 7 in terms of speed and they are young. I just hope Del Rio doesn't leave for an HC job next year.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:36 AM   #133
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Maybe you didn't watch the game. Broncos Defense held the Eagles starter's to 13 points, while harassing, hitting, knocking-down, and sacking the NFL's most elusive QB on a vast majority of his drop-backs.
lol. Again, this happens to Vick against almost every team. The Redskins sacked him 3 times, Chargers twice, Chiefs six times. This is not a criticism of the Broncos so calm yourself. I'm just telling you not to get carried away with our pressure numbers from this game.
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lol. Again, this happens to Vick against almost every team. The Redskins sacked him 3 times, Chargers twice, Chiefs six times. This is not a criticism of the Broncos so calm yourself. I'm just telling you not to get carried away with our pressure numbers from this game.
And we have just two games to go before the NFL's most prolific pass rusher returns. I'm not complaining about 7 sacks combined from Ayers and Phillips in just four games so far.
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:04 PM   #135
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Go ahead and list our sacks and snap-to-sack duration?
That's what I like to do, actually count the seconds from snap to sack/hurry/pressure to get a more accurate account of what's going on.

Phillips got a sack clean just by blowing past his RT in just around 2 seconds which was a true speed rush sack.

Ayers sort of stumbled into his after 2.8-3 seconds or so and I think Woodyard or Wolfe finished it off.

All in all, I'd say both of you and DENVERDUI55 are right.

Our base lineman of Knighton/Vickerson/Wolfe don't beat their guys when it comes to pass rush but they are stout, strong against the run and do disrupt there.

Ayers, Jackson, and then Phillips are our best pass rushers and they do a very good job of beating one on one matchups, altho Phillips goes hot and cold.

Both Jackson and Ayers got consistent pressure on Vick and in the 2nd half when the Eagles more or less abandoned the option game and went traditional drop back passing, our DL and blitzing just abused them.

Malik Jackson especially was getting pressure from all angles, inside, stunting outside, at DE where he nearly destroyed Vick on one play only for him to duck under Jackson.
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Our base lineman of Knighton/Vickerson/Wolfe don't beat their guys when it comes to pass rush

Malik Jackson especially was getting pressure from all angles, inside, stunting outside, at DE where he nearly destroyed Vick on one play only for him to duck under Jackson.
Hold on there Cowboy.

1. Malik Jackson only had a few plays from DE, and didn't do anything there. In fact, he did not play contain on the edge leading to a long gain in the 1st quarter. Jackson would not play at DE again the rest of the game.

2. After that, Jackson played exclusively at 3-tech. He drew a double-team 2 times on probably about 20 snaps (contrast that that to Wolfe who is double-teamed about half the time when he plays at 3-tech).

3. Jackson showed sporadic effort against the run, and in fact finished the game with ZERO tackles and ZERO measurable stats.

4. That's not to say Malik Jackson didn't have a decent game. I give him credit for 3 pressures on the QB, while getting penetration on 2 other snaps.

5. Most of Jackson's pressures/penetration came while looping outside the OT from the 3-tech position, where the OG would just let him go expecting another player to pick him up (bad communication). I only counted one play (the OG tackled Jackson from the back), where Jackson squarely beat his man. It was a great play, and caused a penalty which forced the Eagles out of FG range.

6. To claim that Wolfe isn't a good pass-rusher is pure fallacy. Wolfe did not get a single snap from 3-tech against the Eagles. He played at DE the entire game, recording 2 tackles and 1 sack. I've stated many times before that Wolfe is not an impact pass-rusher at DE (too slow), however, he is getting better at setting the edge, and did record a sack. No doubt matching up against OT's every snap is making Wolfe even better.

In any event, once Miller gets back, Wolfe will once again go back to getting the majority of his snaps at 3-tech. At 3-tech, Wolfe is pretty much unstoppable. He recorded 6 sacks from 3-tech in 2012, and is much more explosive this year.

A pass-rushing DL of Miller, Jackson, Wolfe, and Phillips WILL collapse the pocket with reckless abandon. Each player would be put in a position that they can consistently beat their man.
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I see "flashes" of nasty, but not consistent nasty; not yet. However, I also see a soft under belly at times too. It seems this defense goes into a soft zone at times that tends to give a lot of room to the WR to get open and the QB a lot of time to find him. Miller will do wonders to shore this up; Champ too I suspect.

But they, like the offense, makes superb 2nd half adjustments.

Btw, I could be wrong, but it seems like Irving gets into the backfield for a TFL at least once a game, sometimes more. He really is playing nasty for the limited reps he gets. Not sure why he is so limited in snaps, but I would really like to see more.
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:19 AM   #139
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Hold on there Cowboy.

1. Malik Jackson only had a few plays from DE, and didn't do anything there. In fact, he did not play contain on the edge leading to a long gain in the 1st quarter. Jackson would not play at DE again the rest of the game.

2. After that, Jackson played exclusively at 3-tech. He drew a double-team 2 times on probably about 20 snaps (contrast that that to Wolfe who is double-teamed about half the time when he plays at 3-tech).

3. Jackson showed sporadic effort against the run, and in fact finished the game with ZERO tackles and ZERO measurable stats.

4. That's not to say Malik Jackson didn't have a decent game. I give him credit for 3 pressures on the QB, while getting penetration on 2 other snaps.

5. Most of Jackson's pressures/penetration came while looping outside the OT from the 3-tech position, where the OG would just let him go expecting another player to pick him up (bad communication). I only counted one play (the OG tackled Jackson from the back), where Jackson squarely beat his man. It was a great play, and caused a penalty which forced the Eagles out of FG range.

6. To claim that Wolfe isn't a good pass-rusher is pure fallacy. Wolfe did not get a single snap from 3-tech against the Eagles. He played at DE the entire game, recording 2 tackles and 1 sack. I've stated many times before that Wolfe is not an impact pass-rusher at DE (too slow), however, he is getting better at setting the edge, and did record a sack. No doubt matching up against OT's every snap is making Wolfe even better.

In any event, once Miller gets back, Wolfe will once again go back to getting the majority of his snaps at 3-tech. At 3-tech, Wolfe is pretty much unstoppable. He recorded 6 sacks from 3-tech in 2012, and is much more explosive this year.

A pass-rushing DL of Miller, Jackson, Wolfe, and Phillips WILL collapse the pocket with reckless abandon. Each player would be put in a position that they can consistently beat their man.
Dude, you're pretty much saying what I just said. Wolfe isn't an impact pass rusher and Jackson had a good game attacking the back field (I didn't mention anything about his play against the run).
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I was referring to the first half. And I stand by what I said.
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:14 AM   #141
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Dude, you're pretty much saying what I just said. Wolfe isn't an impact pass rusher and Jackson had a good game attacking the back field (I didn't mention anything about his play against the run).
Wolfe is an impact pass-rusher at 3-tech.
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Hey Rev... Is this "garbage time" Like I have been saying this D is not as good as most of you think. They have stopped ZERO so far. Missing tackles, making Romo look all pro so far.

Flame away defense homers
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This is the first game they've played where they have been straight up bad. I hope it's an anomaly.
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400 yards + 33 points and they are in the 3rd qtr. Like I have been saying all along, they are WAY over rated. Nasty no, great? not even close to good. Imagine what Rodgers or Brees would do to this defense. There is a ton of work to do here.
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:57 PM   #146
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Bob Slowik put this gameplan together, right? right?
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With regards to the thread title.

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Old 10-06-2013, 04:15 PM   #149
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This is a repeat of the Baltimore game. No pressure in the 2nd half, offense taking a break and the our secondary taking turns getting burnt.

Do we even have safeties on the field?
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Bottom line... They are not good. Peyton is the only reason they are not the joke of the NFL
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