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Old 09-29-2013, 04:35 PM   #101
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They definitely improved in the second half. This is not an elite defense right now, but it is pretty good. Plenty good when you have the offense and special teams we have.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:43 PM   #102
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I wasn't expecting a shutout, but they contained McCoy when it was still a game.

Beagles offense for awhile was Vick scrambling around.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:56 PM   #103
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2.5 of the 3 sacks by the DL and that's in a game where they had to play pocket contain as priority one over rushing the passer on pass downs.

Again, this is another week and another example of you saying that, and another week and another example of it not meshing with reality
Sorry all of those sacks except Phillips sack were due to Vick holding on to the ball and they were also when game was out of hand. Here is another example where you argue with stats and if anyone who argues with you uses stats you use that against them. If the offense keeps uo this pace it won't matter though.
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:07 PM   #104
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Sorry all of those sacks except Phillips sack were due to Vick holding on to the ball and they were also when game was out of hand. Here is another example where you argue with stats and if anyone who argues with you uses stats you use that against them. If the offense keeps uo this pace it won't matter though.
You say "argue with stats" when the reality is I'm the only one using ANY supportive evidence.

You understand that against Vick they had to play the pocket the first then rush the passer, yes? And despite that, the Broncos had 3 sacks (which in a game would be well enough on pace to be #1 in the league last season) and what is likely well into double digits on QB hits.

So, by all means, attempt to support your opinion with something factual and grounded in reality for once.
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:10 PM   #105
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I see a very bad defensive gameplan more than anything today. Complete failure to account for staples of this offense. I don't understand it.
Yeah, JDR hasn't a clue.
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:14 PM   #106
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Careful, you'll get Rev mad and he'll start calling you names! Hope he shows up and gives us some "context" to explain the Eagles 13 first downs and 271 yards in the first half! Oh, that's right, first half yards don't matter...
In case you didn't know, you win the game by outscoring your opponent.

Broncos 52 - Eagles 20
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:14 PM   #107
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Sorry all of those sacks except Phillips sack were due to Vick holding on to the ball and they were also when game was out of hand. Here is another example where you argue with stats and if anyone who argues with you uses stats you use that against them. If the offense keeps uo this pace it won't matter though.
They got pretty decent pressure on Vick the entire second half
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:21 PM   #108
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In case you didn't know, you win the game by outscoring your opponent.

Broncos 52 - Eagles 20
1 of those scores in exhibition time.
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:23 PM   #109
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:51 PM   #110
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1 of those scores in exhibition time.
Yep, and I'd like to review it again but I thought there was an illegal block while the ball was in the air.
Denver's D is playing really good.
No Duke today either, or I didn't see him. Anybody know for sure?
Webster continues to hit ferociously!
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:00 PM   #111
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Uh Duke lead the team in tackles. How the hell do you miss him? You thinking Webster maybe... He only had a couple plays.

Btw, Chris Clark was a stud today... Even with Twilight in the game.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:05 PM   #112
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They definitely improved in the second half. This is not an elite defense right now, but it is pretty good. Plenty good when you have the offense and special teams we have.
Yup, this exactly. Very good defense but 18 makes them look better than they are. Von's return will bring the D up a notch.
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Yep, and I'd like to review it again but I thought there was an illegal block while the ball was in the air.
Denver's D is playing really good.
No Duke today either, or I didn't see him. Anybody know for sure?
Webster continues to hit ferociously!
Duke played. An opposing team was also able to isolate him in pass coverage down the field which lead to an easy 40 yard gain, unfortunately.

He's still well worth it for everything else he brings to the table.
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You say "argue with stats" when the reality is I'm the only one using ANY supportive evidence.

You understand that against Vick they had to play the pocket the first then rush the passer, yes? And despite that, the Broncos had 3 sacks (which in a game would be well enough on pace to be #1 in the league last season) and what is likely well into double digits on QB hits.

So, by all means, attempt to support your opinion with something factual and grounded in reality for once.
There really isn't any stats for sacks when the QB is in the pocket for greater than 5 seconds. There will be a team that will exploit the lack of pressure and not drop wide open passes. Like I said before as long as the Offense/special teams is putting up huge points it won't matter but I'm not going to pretend like the defensive line is CONSISTENTLY winning their one on one matchups. The one on one matchups are huge late in the year and in the playoffs.
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There really isn't any stats for sacks when the QB is in the pocket for greater than 5 seconds. There will be a team that will exploit the lack of pressure and not drop wide open passes. Like I said before as long as the Offense/special teams is putting up huge points it won't matter but I'm not going to pretend like the defensive line is CONSISTENTLY winning their one on one matchups. The one on one matchups are huge late in the year and in the playoffs.
And you've sat there with a timer?

Go ahead and list our sacks and snap-to-sack duration?
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:03 PM   #116
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If Vick didn't have 4.3 speed, Broncos Defense would have sacks ending 2 of Eagles first 3 drives.

Instead, the Broncos Defense spent nearly 15 minutes straight on the field due to Holliday TD, and Broncos quick 3-and-out. Then Philly used Broncos pass-rush against them for a 35 yard screen pass leading to their only TD against the Broncos starting D. Philly's starters didn't score the rest of the game.


Broncos are now tied for 11th in the NFL in sacks.
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Yeah, JDR hasn't a clue.
I was referring to the first half. And I stand by what I said.
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I'm not going to pretend like the defensive line is CONSISTENTLY winning their one on one matchups. The one on one matchups are huge late in the year and in the playoffs.
It'll make a slight difference once they move Wolfe back to UT, and replace him on the outside with Miller.

As it stands, I wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos are top 5 in sacks before Miller returns.

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I really hope he comes back angry and hungry. He's always been a bit laid back as a defender. The thought of him playing with a chip on his shoulder is scary.
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They got pretty decent pressure on Vick the entire second half
Agree. Felt very similar to the Ravens and Giants games with the close first halves. Not sure whether our pressure steps up because of a change in approach or because the opponent has to start throwing more when they fall behind. Probably a little of both.
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Agree. Felt very similar to the Ravens and Giants games with the close first halves. Not sure whether our pressure steps up because of a change in approach or because the opponent has to start throwing more when they fall behind. Probably a little of both.

I think Denver spends the first half feeling the team out. Once they figure it out, they focus on what will work. And to this point its been beyond explosive.


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Here's the Broncos pass-rush stats from the 1st half. Vick barely escaped at least 2 first half drive-killing sacks with his elite speed.
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Here's the Broncos pass-rush stats from the 1st half. Vick barely escaped at least 2 first half drive-killing sacks with his elite speed.
Clearly they're "not winning one on one matchups"
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