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Old 09-12-2013, 11:48 AM   #1
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Earlier this week on the podcast, I mentioned one key match-up for the coming Manning Bowl: Julius Thomas vs. Justin Tuck when NY shifts into the over front:



We can expect to see Kiwi over Clady’s shoulder in the 5 technique or open end, Cullen Jenkins at the nose over Manny’s left shoulder (1 technique), Joseph in a 3 technique under tackle sitting in the B-gap on Vasquez’s right shoulder, and Justin Tuck heads up on Julius in a wide-9 technique as the closed end.

Clearly this is a match-up the Giants hope to exploit with even more regularity than a Von Miller arrest warrant, so what can Gase and Manning do to prevent NY from exploiting this match-up without blowing a timeout to substitute in a two TE set? Check to the run! A weakside handoff gives Denver a substantial matchup advantage as Clady matches up on Kiwanuka as he tries to control the C gap while squeezing the B, Beadles does what he does best upfield and seals the Sam-backer (Keith Rivers), and our mammoth perimeter receivers successfully block subpar corners a foot smaller.

It’s interesting to note that if Denver were still a read-option team (2011-the Tebow year), they could have Julius chip and release to the second level to seal off the will backer and run the option at—and functionally PAST—Tuck and get the one-on-one against the safety (Rolle) for 6. The Giants can expect division rivals Philly and/or Washington to execute this if and when the front presents itself.

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Thanks Rev, good stuff. No mention of JPP?
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Great follow up after peaking interest in the podcast.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty much the only difference between the over and under front is that the SAM (for us Von) backs of the LOS and shifts to the weakside? If that's the case, Broncos actually played a little of the over front in preseason with mixed results I think.
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Earlier this week on the podcast, I mentioned one key match-up for the coming Manning Bowl: Julius Thomas vs. Justin Tuck when NY shifts into the over front:



We can expect to see Kiwi over Clady’s shoulder in the 5 technique or open end, Cullen Jenkins at the nose over Manny’s left shoulder (1 technique), Joseph in a 3 technique under tackle sitting in the B-gap on Vasquez’s right shoulder, and Justin Tuck heads up on Julius in a wide-9 technique as the closed end.

Clearly this is a match-up the Giants hope to exploit with even more regularity than a Von Miller arrest warrant, so what can Gase and Manning do to prevent NY from exploiting this match-up without blowing a timeout to substitute in a two TE set? Check to the run! A weakside handoff gives Denver a substantial matchup advantage as Clady matches up on Kiwanuka as he tries to control the C gap while squeezing the B, Beadles does what he does best upfield and seals the Sam-backer (Keith Rivers), and our mammoth perimeter receivers successfully block subpar corners a foot smaller.

It’s interesting to note that if Denver were still a read-option team (2011-the Tebow year), they could have Julius chip and release to the second level to seal off the will backer and run the option at—and functionally PAST—Tuck and get the one-on-one against the safety (Rolle) for 6. The Giants can expect division rivals Philly and/or Washington to execute this if and when the front presents itself.

More of my ramblings at: http://patrickturley.org/broncos-at-...he-over-front/
Interesting, but I would prefer splitting Thomas out in that situation and making the LB declare pre-snap. Keep Thomas out of that situation IMHO, and Let Manning rotate protection to Franklin if needed.

BTW, I love the Pistol so Manning can fan protections without giving it away by moving the RB.

Also, I do hope we attack Tuck in the run game and see how disciplined he is. He has had a tendency to attack the gap and get trapped when he thinks its a pass. See INDY game a few Years ago when they tried to let the run game beat them and INDY busted out 200+ yards!
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Great follow up after peaking interest in the podcast.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty much the only difference between the over and under front is that the SAM (for us Von) backs of the LOS and shifts to the weakside? If that's the case, Broncos actually played a little of the over front in preseason with mixed results I think.
Sorta. Errything gets backwards. You're right that the Sam comes off the LOS and shifts to the weakside, but because all of the backers flip. Will swaps sides with him. Gaps responsibilities totally flip too.

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So does the nose two-gap in our under?

(jeez, that sentence looks like broken English.)
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(jeez, that sentence looks like broken English.)
Ha, yes, keying Center.
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(jeez, that sentence looks like broken English.)
It all depends on the coverage, but generally no he has a one gap assignment. DC's at this level will also run a few wrinkles like having the NT double gap occasionally to fool the OL and protection schemes on tape.
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It all depends on the coverage, but generally no he has a one gap assignment. DC's at this level will also run a few wrinkles like having the NT double gap occasionally to fool the OL and protection schemes on tape.
False. And coverages will only ever dictate linebacker running gap responsibilities.
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False. And coverages will only ever dictate linebacker running gap responsibilities.
I am stupid and old. I meant Stunts, not coverages. However, they still do not two gap they play the ball to or away, not two gaps....
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I am stupid and old. I meant Stunts, not coverages. However, they still do not two gap they play the ball to or away, not two gaps....
Worst. Fight. Ever.

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So, based on what you wrote, I'm guessing this are how the techniques line up?



What is the wide-9?
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Nah. This is wrong. You go to the bubble screen.
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So, based on what you wrote, I'm guessing this are how the techniques line up?



What is the wide-9?
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OK, that makes sense. Thanks!
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I feel pretty good about Denver vs the Giants Lber corp.
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