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Old 08-30-2013, 12:31 PM   #76
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You can believe what you want about Russia's role in this and their intentions, but this guy has it right.

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"The West handles the Islamic world the way a monkey handles a grenade," Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin tweeted.
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Old 08-30-2013, 01:16 PM   #77
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Call/Write Speaker Boehner now!

We saw democracy work in the UK. Let us take inspiration from the vote in the House of Commons

Write or call Speaker Boehner now and ask him to reconvene Congress to debate and vote on Obama's plan to attack Syria.

Let the people decide!

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Old 08-30-2013, 01:29 PM   #78
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Call/Write Speaker Boehner now!

We saw democracy work in the UK. Let us take inspiration from the vote in the House of Commons

Write or call Speaker Boehner now and ask him to reconvene Congress to debate and vote on Obama's plan to attack Syria.

Let the people decide!

http://www.speaker.gov/contact
Done. If Obama is too cowardly to call them into session, perhaps Borhner will, you know, do his job.

I wouldn't count on it.
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:05 PM   #79
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The source of the intercepted cable we have been hearing about and which "proves" Assad did it -- was Israel.

This alone should make us skeptical about this intel.

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Israeli intelligence 'intercepted Syrian regime talk about chemical attack'
Information passed to US by Israeli Defence Forces' 8200 unit, former official tells magazine


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-chemical-talk
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:13 PM   #80
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One would think that by now US officials would be wary of intel from the Mossad. MHG

Israeli intelligence seen as central to US case against Syria

Netanyahu to hold second security cabinet meeting on crisis in two days; top minister says it’s unthinkable for Assad to be allowed to go on gassing childrenBy TIMES OF ISRAEL STAFF August 27, 2013,

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli...against-syria/
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:17 PM   #81
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Israeli intelligence on an Arab state should be about as trustworthy as Russian intelligence on Chechens.

Keep in mind that sometimes they get it right.
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:44 PM   #82
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According to the Jewish paper Tikkun, the Israeli attack on Latakia failed because a spy tipped off the Assad regime -- which moved the Lakhonts missiles before the Israeli strike.

This story reads like the script for a Hollywood thriller.

No question -- if the US attacks, Syria will use its Yakhonts missiles -- probably fire them at Israeli ships. MHG

Assad Tipped Off to Israeli Attack by FSA Mole
by RICHARD SILVERSTEIN on JULY 31, 2013 ·
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/20...k-by-fsa-mole/

Israel discovered the downside of relying on Arab allies in its attacks on its enemies. The NY Times just exposed the failure of Israel’s July 5th attack on a Syrian government weapons arsenal. After the assault on the facility in Latakia, reporters said the target had been Russian-made Yakhonts anti-ship missiles. Most observers assumed the attack had been successful since it had destroyed the warehouse in which the weapons were believed to be stored.

The Times has just revealed via U.S. intelligence sources that government forces moved the targeted missiles before Israel bombed the location. The story says that “some” of the missiles were saved. My hunch is that all of them were saved.

The Times report does not reveal that Assad learned of the attack beforehand and spoiled Israel’s plan. Thanks to my well-placed Israeli source I’ve learned the secret. I was the only media outlet to report earlier that Israel collaborated with the Free Syrian Army in this attack. The latter launched a diversionary assault that was intended to draw government forces away from the depot. This plan also allowed Israel to put out the story that the FSA was responsible for the attack and so divert attention from the IAF as the author of the operation. But in planning it, Israel revealed key details to rebel commanders, one of whom was a spy for the government. This individual revealed the plan and Assad was able to move the Yakhonts from the warehouse.

This represents yet another defeat for Israeli intelligence. It put together an extremely ambitious plan that involved collaboration with forces it had previously not worked closely with in this context: Israeli planes took off from a Turkish air base and the FSA joined in the attack. As any engineer will tell you, the more elements there are to a plan, the more chance that one of them will fail.

This development also reveals how unreliable the rebel forces are. They cannot be trusted to maintain the secrets of their allies. They are riddled with moles and spies. Though I detest Assad, I have to say that he has pulled the rug out from under the IDF and the FSA in this operation.

Israel will of course have other opportunities to attack these missiles. Presumably, however Israel learned they were housed in Latakia, it may get another opportunity to learn their next location. But in the cat and mouse game that is the Syrian civil war, Assad has a victory, Israel a defeat. But if you’re rooting for the Blue and White, don’t despair. It’s a long game. There will be other chances, just as there will be other chances for Hezbollah and Assad to find chinks in Israel’s armor.
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U.S.: Al Qaeda-linked Group Behind Benghazi Attack Trains Jihadists for Syrian Rebel Groups
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:48 PM   #84
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Well, I'm glad we cleared that up, Obama didn't set the red line ......... the whole world set the red line.


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Last Chance for Peace - Historic Vote in Congress Draws Near

by Mark H Gaffney

The United States is being manipulated into another even bigger Mideast War, and the only thing that can prevent it is an informed citizenry. The upcoming debate in Congress, scheduled to begin on September 9, will tell the tale.

President Obama lied to the nation, last Saturday, when he told us that a US attack on Syria would be “narrow” and “limited”, and would not involve boots on the ground. As I write, US special forces may already be in Syria. According to Israeli on-line intel news Debkafile, several days before the chemical attack in Damascus hundreds of armed rebels crossed over into Syria from a newly established CIA base in Jordan. The rebels were led by US commanders. The Debkafile report was subsequently confirmed by the French paper Le Figaro, which claimed that CIA personnel accompanied the rebels across the border.

Debkafile also reported that Centcom, the US military command for the Middle East, has established a new underground war room near Amman, Jordan, for the purpose of commanding Syrian operations. Recently, General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, visited Amman to inaugurate the new forward command center.

These important stories should have been headline news here in the US. But, thus far, I have seen no mention of them in the fawning US press. Clearly, the American people are being kept in the dark about the true extent of US involvement in the Syrian civil war, which is about to go viral. We are also being jollied about US objectives in the region.

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Old 09-04-2013, 05:37 PM   #87
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Well, I'm glad we cleared that up, Obama didn't set the red live ......... the whole world set the red line.

For Once, Obama is correct, or did you think it was he who first drew that line??

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Old 09-04-2013, 08:02 PM   #88
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It's naive to believe that the military industrial complex has no influence on Obama. Syria is not an actual threat to the US. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night with the amount of lives sacrificed for the war profiteers own gain.
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Seems fitting since we were smuggling weapons to the Syrian rebels through Libya.
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It's naive to believe that the military industrial complex has no influence on Obama. Syria is not an actual threat to the US. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night with the amount of lives sacrificed for the war profiteers own gain.
It's obvious McCain isn't worried since he was playing Candy Crush during today's hearings.
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Old 09-04-2013, 10:38 PM   #91
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Once again, Jon Stewart gets closest to the truth:

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If the goal is to destroy or limit Assads ability to use chemical weapons, how can we be sure we got them all? Syrian military has already moved their equipment to civilian buildings. It's a no-win situation for Obama at this point.

I'm personally worried that boots are going to be on the ground at some point in the future when this thing escalates, because nobody is talking about the potential ramifications of a 90 day bombing campaign. We've already seen how Assad reacts when he loses his grip on his power.
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For Once, Obama is correct, or did you think it was he who first drew that line??
Yes the Geneva Protocol prohibits the use of chemical weapons in warfare but what red line did they draw in the sand? What punishment was attached to the protocol?

I believe Obama set a red line that supposedly had serious consequences attached to it, oh wait.... He didn't do it, the world did it.
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Here's some more insight into that evidence that they're insisting on keeping classified. Gotta love it.
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Texas Republican: Evidence that Assad used chemical weapons is 'thin'
By Ian Swanson - 09/02/13 09:45 AM ET

A Texas Republican lawmaker said the evidence he saw Sunday at a classified briefing showing the use of chemical weapons by Syria's government was thin.
"Yes, I saw the classified documents yesterday. They were pretty thin," Rep. Michael Burgess (R-Texas) said.
He then said a case could be made that Syrian President Bashar Assad's government wasn't the side that used chemical weapons.
"The case can be made that actually Assad was the one that pulled the trigger is suspect," he said.

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Once again, Jon Stewart gets closest to the truth:
Loved it.

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Yes the Geneva Protocol prohibits the use of chemical weapons in warfare but what red line did they draw in the sand? What punishment was attached to the protocol?

I believe Obama set a red line that supposedly had serious consequences attached to it, oh wait.... He didn't do it, the world did it.
You're arguing a different point.

Mine was that technically, Obama was correct, the UN did draw a 'red line'....whatever the **** that means.....in 1925 and others have done so since.

However, going it alone with a vague plan makes little sense. Let the Arab League take care of their neighborhood, if they don't care, not sure why we do.
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You're arguing a different point.

Mine was that technically, Obama was correct, the UN did draw a 'red line'....whatever the **** that means.....in 1925 and others have done so since.

However, going it alone with a vague plan makes little sense. Let the Arab League take care of their neighborhood, if they don't care, not sure why we do.
My old football coach always said "Don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash".
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You're arguing a different point.

Mine was that technically, Obama was correct, the UN did draw a 'red line'....whatever the **** that means.....in 1925 and others have done so since.

However, going it alone with a vague plan makes little sense. Let the Arab League take care of their neighborhood, if they don't care, not sure why we do.
The Arab League cares, just not enough to put their people at risk. They say they'll pay for all operations if we'll go take care of business for them. Instead of the worlds' policemen, we could be become the worlds' mercenaries. So far, this vote looks like it's going down. According to USA Today, 2/3rds opposed.
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The Arab League cares, just not enough to put their people at risk. They say they'll pay for all operations if we'll go take care of business for them. Instead of the worlds' policemen, we could be become the worlds' mercenaries. So far, this vote looks like it's going down. According to USA Today, 2/3rds opposed.
Why not just let Blackwater and all the other mercenaries work for them?

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The Arab League cares, just not enough to put their people at risk. They say they'll pay for all operations if we'll go take care of business for them. Instead of the worlds' policemen, we could be become the worlds' mercenaries. So far, this vote looks like it's going down. According to USA Today, 2/3rds opposed.
The Persian Gulf War was a mercenary war, paid for by the Kuwaitis and Saudis (IIRC), so the precedent has been set.
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