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Old 08-26-2013, 09:01 AM   #176
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wow, Kizla sucks. You are a turd Kizla!
He (Kiszla) does. But, at the same time, do you disagree with his overall premise? That Hillman can't be the starter? Because right now I absolutely agree with that. This doesn't mean I don't want him on the team, just that I don't want him to be the #1 guy.
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Old 08-26-2013, 09:06 AM   #177
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He (Kiszla) does. But, at the same time, do you disagree with his overall premise? That Hillman can't be the starter? Because right now I absolutely agree with that. This doesn't mean I don't want him on the team, just that I don't want him to be the #1 guy.
This is where I am also. One thing that bothers me is the "well he's only fumbling in preseason" thing. Fumbling is fumbling, add in that you could be doing it against the other teams' backups and it makes it WORSE.
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Old 08-26-2013, 09:08 AM   #178
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Knowshon could very well end up starting and the Broncos are using the preseason to test drive their younger backs who are unproven. I really don't think there is anyone available right now who will be better than what we have on the roster.

And Kizla is a troll.
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Old 08-26-2013, 09:09 AM   #179
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He (Kiszla) does. But, at the same time, do you disagree with his overall premise? That Hillman can't be the starter? Because right now I absolutely agree with that. This doesn't mean I don't want him on the team, just that I don't want him to be the #1 guy.
I think a rotation of Hillman/Ball & Moreno will be fine. The more carries Hillman gets, the better he gets. Basic football 101. This is things people like me understand because we know the game.
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Old 08-26-2013, 09:31 AM   #180
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I think a rotation of Hillman/Ball & Moreno will be fine.

Yep, a rotation of Injured, Unproven and Fumble is our ticket to the SB. I'll call them The Three Headed Least.


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Old 08-26-2013, 10:05 AM   #181
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I can hear the chants now.... "I!U!F! I!U!F! I!U!F! I!U!F! I!U!F!"
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:21 AM   #182
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Knowshon could very well end up starting and the Broncos are using the preseason to test drive their younger backs who are unproven. I really don't think there is anyone available right now who will be better than what we have on the roster.

And Kizla is a troll.
agreed. no RB on the street or available for nearly nothing is going to come in and outperform what we have now. Add in, whoever comes in would have to learn a complex playbook and wouldn't play until it is a positive that he can protect Peyton.

As much as I dislike it, I think we start Moreno and work Ball into the starting job. Hillman gets sprinkled in as a pass catcher out of the backfield and occasional runner.
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:24 AM   #183
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Cut Hillman. Dudes already 21 and in his 2nd year...if he doesn't get it now, he never will. The Broncos need to get younger at the position anyways.
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:28 AM   #184
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...whoever comes in would have to learn a complex playbook...
I don't disagree with your overall premise, but just want to point out that apparently the Broncos offense is fairly simple. I've read/heard this multiple times. Here's one recent example:

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Another characteristic is simplicity. Manningís incessant presnap gyrations have created the idea that his system is complex. In reality, itís very basic. Thatís how teammates can keep up with Manningís perfectionism. The Broncos do not do a lot of things; they just do a handful of things really well.
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/23/denver...-preview-2013/
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:46 AM   #185
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:08 AM   #186
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agreed. no RB on the street or available for nearly nothing is going to come in and outperform what we have now. Add in, whoever comes in would have to learn a complex playbook and wouldn't play until it is a positive that he can protect Peyton.

As much as I dislike it, I think we start Moreno and work Ball into the starting job. Hillman gets sprinkled in as a pass catcher out of the backfield and occasional runner.
And Teflon Elway gets no blame for this? Even Moreno's mother knows the guy won't hold up for a full season. So well be left with Unproven and Fumble to lead us to the Meadowlands. I see Peyton getting wacked along the way.
Why was it such a terrible idea John to have 4 Rbs on the roster and pay a guy like Shonn Green the 1.6 million the Titans are paying him?
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:18 AM   #187
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Knowshon could very well end up starting and the Broncos are using the preseason to test drive their younger backs who are unproven. I really don't think there is anyone available right now who will be better than what we have on the roster.

And Kizla is a troll.

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Old 08-26-2013, 11:20 AM   #188
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I don't disagree with your overall premise, but just want to point out that apparently the Broncos offense is fairly simple. I've read/heard this multiple times. Here's one recent example:


http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/23/denver...-preview-2013/
Many of the best offenses are the same plays repackaged differently. Shanahan is the king of this.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:20 AM   #189
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Cut Hillman. Dudes already 21 and in his 2nd year...if he doesn't get it now, he never will. The Broncos need to get younger at the position anyways.
Has one person said Denver should cut him? Drama Queen. He ain't ready to start though.

Besides Txtebow and well, his name says it all.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:25 AM   #190
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This is where I am also. One thing that bothers me is the "well he's only fumbling in preseason" thing. Fumbling is fumbling, add in that you could be doing it against the other teams' backups and it makes it WORSE.
Does it make it better that the majority of his preseason fumbles were against other teams starters?

Fumbling is a problem, and if not fixed ASAP will lead to a short NFL career for the young Hillman. BUT, he ran much stronger Saturday night than I've seen in a year and a preseason from him. If he can just work on ball protection he has a lot of potential.

I hope like hell he's working with Studes on how to protect the ball. If he can make that adjustment, then he will have a good year. Hell, I think he'll have a very good year.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:30 AM   #191
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Does it make it better that the majority of his preseason fumbles were against other teams starters?

Fumbling is a problem, and if not fixed ASAP will lead to a short NFL career for the young Hillman. BUT, he ran much stronger Saturday night than I've seen in a year and a preseason from him. If he can just work on ball protection he has a lot of potential.

I hope like hell he's working with Studes on how to protect the ball. If he can make that adjustment, then he will have a good year. Hell, I think he'll have a very good year.
With you there, I like the kid a ton but they have to work with him on this. And no, it doesn't make me feel better it was against starters
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:41 AM   #192
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Has one person said Denver should cut him? Drama Queen. He ain't ready to start though.

Besides Txtebow and well, his name says it all.
Apparently you missed fwf's earlier posts. Not that he needs me to defend him, but your accusation of Drama Queen towards NorCal is greatly misplaced. Txtebow and fwf are two more worthy candidates, don't you think?
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:57 AM   #193
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The goal line plunge fumble was a bad call

The one Ogletree made was just a good play on a late whistle and Ogletree is going to make many a great play in his career, kid can ball.

I am not that worried about the fumbling nor am I worried about the Broncos running backs. We are going to have a great running game you will see.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:58 AM   #194
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I am most worried about Champ's game.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:06 PM   #195
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Cut Hillman. Dudes already 21 and in his 2nd year...if he doesn't get it now, he never will. The Broncos need to get younger at the position anyways.
Good to know "Not starting" = cut him.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:10 PM   #196
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The goal line plunge fumble was a bad call
Bad call didn't knock the ball out of his hands. I get what you mean though.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:19 PM   #197
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The goal line plunge fumble was a bad call

The one Ogletree made was just a good play on a late whistle and Ogletree is going to make many a great play in his career, kid can ball.

I am not that worried about the fumbling nor am I worried about the Broncos running backs. We are going to have a great running game you will see.
This pretty much sums things up. I am not overly concerned with the running game. Let the next man up competition begin for Preseason #4 and then focus on the next game.
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Hillmans young. Still younger than Montee. I don't think he's a starter at this point but we have to keep developing our young talent.
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Bad call didn't knock the ball out of his hands. I get what you mean though.
Consider he held the ball at risk out in front of him to break the goal line knowing all he had to do was get the ball across the goal line to score which he did do but the call was missed. He did what you want him to do on the goal line, score a TD. Not his fault the call was missed.
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The goal line plunge is correctable because he will be told never try to lunge to the goal line unless it's 4th down

He needs to get down quicker or if he is stood up he better get stronger to hold on to the ball . This may to be a film type other teams use when tackling Hillman. I know teams in general will try to stand a RB and rip the ball
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