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Old 08-25-2013, 09:16 AM   #101
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People want to give up on Hillman so soon.
We've got idiots here calling for us to cut Von loose. You really shouldn't be so surprised that some might want to move on from a RB that hasn't done even 1% of what Von has done for us.
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Old 08-25-2013, 09:54 AM   #102
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Yeah, they probably should have cut TD too when he had 14 fumbles his first 3 seasons.
Not to mention a critical one in SB XXXII that allowed GB to tie the score at 17 after halftime.

The coaches obviously see stuff that we as fans don't see in their daily interaction with the players....I trust they'll make the right decision on who should stay, go, start or sit.

I laugh at all these clowns on here who get so emotional over stuff they have no control over, and yet whine like they can do any better themselves.

Hillman does need to work on protecting the ball better...but he's young enough to correct his ball security issues.
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Old 08-25-2013, 09:56 AM   #103
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In very limited action in the preseason he has 3 turnovers. When he has held onto the ball he's been pedestrian. In summary, pedestrian production coupled with turnover prone ball handling issues= get the **** off of our roster....and someone compared him to Clinton Portis?!?!? He's not even Tatum Bell!!he's G A R B A G E.
He had 9 touches for 49 yards last night in total. Also, he technically only had 2 turnovers.
Last year, he had one fumble in over 80+ carries/touches and now suddenly people act like he fumbles all the freakin time.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:08 AM   #104
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In how many touches?

Too lazy to look it up, but I'm guessing it must've been like over a 1000 because Davis was seeing the ball 350+ times a season before he got hurt.

Hillman fumbles pretty much every game. He's not going to be cut, but it's not like he's going to see the ball either.
I agree a RB who fumbles will not see much playing time...

Hillman fumbled 2 times in his rookie season on 94 touches...or once every 47 touches.

TD by contrast had 5 fumbles on 286 touches his rookie season....or once every 57 touches.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:10 AM   #105
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adrian peterson was making big plays along with his fumbles as he learned to protect the ball. My main thing with Hilliman is he just doesn't have great moves and doesn't break tackles. That makes him a bkup in the NFL. Throw in he can't hold on to the ball and he shouldn't even sniff the field. Hillman just isn't a great player and he wasn't in college either. He's run of the mill at best.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:14 AM   #106
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Holliday was let go from previous teams for his fumbling problem. The Broncos brought him on and worked with him on the issue and he's doing much better. I'm sure they're doing the same with Hillman.
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Wow, people comparing Hillman to Portis and Peterson is just.... Ridiculous.

Hillman will be lucky to break 1000 yards, he will never ever sniff 1,500 or 2,000 in a season. He's just not.
Nobody compared him to Adrian Peterson, other than to say "he's not Adrian Peterson"....and their reference to Portis was in his running style, measurables and size, not his production.

As for whether or not he'll rush for 1,000 yards remains to be seen.....if the Broncos use a platoon system like most teams do, then your probably correct in your assessment...but if he's getting the lion's share of carries as a feature back, I think he can break the 1,000 yard barrier.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:20 AM   #108
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adrian peterson was making big plays along with his fumbles as he learned to protect the ball. My main thing with Hilliman is he just doesn't have great moves and doesn't break tackles. That makes him a bkup in the NFL. Throw in he can't hold on to the ball and he shouldn't even sniff the field. Hillman just isn't a great player and he wasn't in college either. He's run of the mill at best.
When drafted and even this spring we heard Elway talk of him being a great off-speed back. I still don't know when he was switched from off-speed to our feature back. He might be nice guy to plug-in with fresh legs when the defense is winded but he doesn't have the skill set to be used in a starting role. I'm just not a fan of Hillman, hated the draft pick. Hopefully this experiment will end soon. Very obvious he isn't the answer, would love to see McGahee signed.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:28 AM   #109
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Posts like this make me wonder if people actually watch the game or just read negative posts and roll with it.

Hillman had multiple 1st downs and had some nice runs, especially the one where he broke up the middle that showed exceptional burst.

And there were multiple times during the game where the 1st defender couldn't get their hands on him...and he finished 1 run strong lowering his shoulder for an extra yard.
Yeah, he actually had a nice game going until Alec Ogletree just manhandled him on that strip. In Ronnie's defense Olgletree was all over the field and looked like a beast.

What it really comes down to is he will either be able to control the fumbling issues or not. At this point, I don't see him as a viable 15-20 carry back, but he still has potential as a speed change of pace back. At this point though, I don't think you can really trust either Hillman or Montee Ball to be ready to start the Baltimore game. I'd look for KM to get the nod, because with Moreno at least you know what you're getting (blocking, receiving, grind out some yards between the tackles etc.)
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:43 AM   #110
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It was a heck of a play by Ogletree and Hillman was very close to being down before the ball popped out. Add into it the fact that this turnover happened so close to the Broncos own endzone and it was just great play by what appears to be a heck of a rookie LBer.

some people here are overreacting.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:45 AM   #111
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Nobody compared him to Adrian Peterson,

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Adrian Peterson had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons.
As in "Relax, the guy who scored 40 total td's and ran for more than 1k yards in each of his first three seasons had a fumbling problem, so it's cool if Hillman holds onto the rock like it was a bowling ball dipped in Astroglide"
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People want to give up on Hillman so soon. Geez, this is only his second season, and these are preseason plays.
I mean, if he has a good run "Oh, did you see the hole he got to run through? ANYBODY COULD!"
And if he has a bad play "See, Hillman sucks! Cut him!" Even though the LB perfectly placed his helmet on the ball as he was crossing the goalline for a score.
The reason Ball was drafted because we need a bigger back, and I think the front office is expecting this to be Moreno's last season with the Broncos.
You have to look at the majority of clowns on this site....

They are wanna be GM's and coaches who think they're smarter than people who have done the job for years.....

they hate on players generally because of who drafted them or where they were drafted like Moreno who was selected 12th overall and by a coach many despise (like that's his fault)

Now flashback to the 2012 draft and read how many of these clowns hated the selection of Hillman because he wasn't the guy they wanted the Broncos to draft. Ditto for Oz. So every bad play is magnified in their eyes.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:51 AM   #113
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You have to look at the majority of clowns on this site....

They are wanna be GM's and coaches who think they're smarter than people who have done the job for years.....

they hate on players generally because of who drafted them or where they were drafted like Moreno who was selected 12th overall and by a coach many despise (like that's his fault)

Now flashback to the 2012 draft and read how many of these clowns hated the selection of Hillman because he wasn't the guy they wanted the Broncos to draft. Ditto for Oz. So every bad play is magnified in their eyes.

Is it possible that reflexively defending the actions of those that "know more than we do" is equally foolish? Rex Ryan knows more about football (and pie) than any of us ever will - should we just blindly assume he's making the right call? That's what you do. Constantly.
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In very limited action in the preseason he has 3 turnovers. When he has held onto the ball he's been pedestrian. In summary, pedestrian production coupled with turnover prone ball handling issues= get the **** off of our roster....and someone compared him to Clinton Portis?!?!? He's not even Tatum Bell!!he's G A R B A G E.
this coming from you after the Tebow debacle is priceless......
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Is it possible that reflexively defending the actions of those that "know more than we do" is equally foolish? Rex Ryan knows more about football (and pie) than any of us ever will - should we just blindly assume he's making the right call? That's what you do. Constantly.
I can care less if Rex Ryan makes the right call...he's not John Fox.

Fox and Elway are 22-13 including playoffs with two division titles....So, no, I don't think it's foolish to defer to their judgement on who should be on the team, or starting.

what is foolish is listening to clowns on a message board whine about players they do not see everyday live in practice or on film in game situations
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what is foolish is listening to clowns on a message board whine about players they do not see everyday live in practice or on film in game situations
What is even more foolish is visiting a sports discussion board and being surprised that people have differing opinions. The "Lord, what fools these mortals be" attitude every time someone disagrees with you gets old.
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If you're a small scat back, then you better be breaking some big plays. Otherwise it's not worth it. Throw in fumbling for a little guy and we're talking bad combination.
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If you're a small scat back, then you better be breaking some big plays. Otherwise it's not worth it. Throw in fumbling for a little guy and we're talking bad combination.
Hey, Napoleon was practically a midget and he almost conquered Russia. Q.E.D.

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This team doesnt need an all pro back to take us to the Super Bowl.
We need him to pass protect, hold on to the ball, stay healthy and hit the huge hole our passing game creates. We dont have that guy and its on Elway bc there are plenty out there.
Ball as a rookie, cant block and should be our change of pace back at most. Hillman fumbles and cant run between tackles effectively and Moreno couldnt play a 16 game season if his life depended on it.
What we could use is a younger Willis Mcgahee type.
I think Elway dropped the ball not bringing anyone in.
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McGahee pick up the red phone... paging McGahee.

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Fox and Elway are 22-13 including playoffs with two division titles....So, no, I don't think it's foolish to defer to their judgement on who should be on the team, or starting.
They also have the GOAT playing QB, and dont forget that 2011 team would have had 4-5 less wins if it werent for some fluke ****.
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:46 AM   #122
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This team doesnt need an all pro back to take us to the Super Bowl.
We need him to pass protect, hold on to the ball, stay healthy and hit the huge hole our passing game creates. We dont have that guy and its on Elway bc there are plenty out there.
Ball as a rookie, cant block and should be our change of pace back at most. Hillman fumbles and cant run between tackles effectively and Moreno couldnt play a 16 game season if his life depended on it.
What we could use is a younger Willis Mcgahee type.
I think Elway dropped the ball not bringing anyone in.
Moreno is that guy, hopefully he can stay healthy until Ball develops into that guy. Did you think Ball would be battle ready right out of the box?
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This team doesnt need an all pro back to take us to the Super Bowl.
We need him to pass protect, hold on to the ball, stay healthy and hit the huge hole our passing game creates. We dont have that guy and its on Elway bc there are plenty out there.
Ball as a rookie, cant block and should be our change of pace back at most. Hillman fumbles and cant run between tackles effectively and Moreno couldnt play a 16 game season if his life depended on it.
What we could use is a younger Willis Mcgahee type.
I think Elway dropped the ball not bringing anyone in.
Fixing the running game was the number one thing that needed to be fixed in the off-season and we didn't get it done, instead we get a scat back as our feature back. How hard is it to be a running back with this QB and this set of WRs? An average back at best should look like an all-pro. Instead we'll suffer Hillman and crew.
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:55 AM   #124
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McGahee pick up the red phone... paging McGahee.

seems this site likes McGahee's fumbles more than Hillman's fumbles

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Fixing the running game was the number one thing that needed to be fixed in the off-season and we didn't get it done
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Fixing the running game was the number one thing that needed to be fixed in the off-season and we didn't get it done...
That and MLB, which also didn't get fixed...
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