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Old 09-21-2013, 03:03 PM   #1
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Default Obama's toughness is paying off

This article could possibly make Obama haters' heads explode lol!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...aying-off.html

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There is one main reason why Iran is making conciliatory noises about its relationship with the U.S. and about the future of its nuclear program, and there is one main reason why Bashar al-Assad, the Syrian dictator, is signaling his intention to give up his stockpiles of chemical weapons.

The reason: President Barack Obama's toughness.

Yes, I know. Toughness isnít a quality lately ascribed to the president. But hear me out...
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:02 PM   #2
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This article could possibly make Obama haters' heads explode lol!!!

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Old 09-21-2013, 07:00 PM   #3
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I think this is much closer to the truth:

On Iran, all the usual caveats apply. The charm offensive recently undertaken by President Hassan Rohani is nothing more than public relations until proven otherwise. It's certainly pleasant to have an Iranian president who doesn't appear to be a lunatic, but there is also reason to fear Rohani: He's a skilled negotiator who undoubtedly understands the utility of conciliatory words and an amenable demeanor. His assertion that Iran isn't interested in nuclear weapons is belied by the fact that Iran has put in place a massive apparatus to make nuclear weapons.

I doubt it has anything to do with Obama. Rohani is playing a new game. He's trying to flank us, with help from Putin. We'll see if Obama and Kerry are sharp enough to parry. Put it this way, Rohani doesn't do any of this without the support of the Supreme Leader, Ali Hosseini Khamenei.

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Old 09-23-2013, 10:16 AM   #4
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Obama played the righties and Assad. First he threatened force which made him appear strong, then he sought congressional approval which made him appear diplomatic, then he just stood back as the GOP argued within their party, and watched as Syria backed down.
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Obama played the righties and Assad. First he threatened force which made him appear strong, then he sought congressional approval which made him appear diplomatic, then he just stood back as the GOP argued within their party, and watched as Syria backed down.
Even if it were all a coincidence and Obama had no influence on any of it whatsoever, it still remains a win. A win on foreign policy because we don't end up committed to another useless war (for now, anyway), and a win domestically because the GOP didn't know how to react to a Democrat looking both strong on foreign policy and conceding to the will of the people.
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:13 AM   #7
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Really, hard to keep a straight face.

Truth is, Obama is a spineless wimp, completely incapable of standing up to the Saudis and the Israelis, not to mention Wall Street and the Pentagon.

The Nobel Committee should demand that he return the Prize.

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This article could possibly make Obama haters' heads explode lol!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...aying-off.html
See? You were right.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:00 PM   #9
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See? You were right.
Although not nearly the level of meltdown I expected. I was expecting Chernobyl.
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Although not nearly the level of meltdown I expected. I was expecting Chernobyl.
Because it's more comical than anything.

Even Sully would laugh at the premise. If he still laughs, that is.

Step 1: Speak Loudly
Step 2: Leave Stick at Home. Hope Nobody remembers what you said
Step 3: Completely go back on what you said
Step 4: Pretend the next inevitable sequel (#327) to the timeless Iran/NKor Sanctions/Concessions dance was somehow positively impacted by steps 1-3.
Step 5: Profit.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:39 PM   #11
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Because it's more comical than anything.

Even Sully would laugh at the premise. If he still laughs, that is.

Step 1: Speak Loudly
Step 2: Leave Stick at Home. Hope Nobody remembers what you said
Step 3: Completely go back on what you said
Step 4: Pretend the next inevitable sequel (#327) to the timeless Iran/NKor Sanctions/Concessions dance was somehow positively impacted by steps 1-3.
Step 5: Profit.
Says the guy who has never provided an alternative answer to anything, other than "well...just not that."
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Says the guy who has never provided an alternative answer to anything, other than "well...just not that."
Let's see. The alternative to dabbling in another Middle Eastern Civil War between a tinpot dicT and team Jihadi... what could it be?

What to do....what to do.... You know, it's just impossible to see what alternatives there are other than taking sides and dealing in some more arms.
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Countdown until BBII's account to magically disappear in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 . . . and here we go!
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This article could possibly make Obama haters' heads explode lol!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...aying-off.html

Obama's toughness .....

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Pony Boy, right on cue!
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Pony Boy, right on cue!
yep. 5 down.

The unfortunate thing is that we will never have a record of most of these people's views on this sort of thing in the pre-Obama era.

Though, one doesn't have to be a rocket surgeon to surmise what they were.
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Countdown until BBII's account to magically disappear in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 . . . and here we go!
Hey man, if you want to sweat a Civil War, I hear some rumblings here and there about a MWA coup.
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The unfortunate thing is that we will never have a record of most of these people's views on this sort of thing in the pre-Obama era.
For that matter, we don't have a record of their views on this issue! Other than "omfgz obozo iz da wurst and hes so week and mess'd dis hole thing up yo! werst prezudent evah!"
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Hey man, if you want to sweat a Civil War, I hear some rumblings here and there about a MWA coup.
You were exiled from the alliance a while ago.
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You were exiled from the alliance a while ago.
The Methwolfe Salvation Front no longer recognizes the Alliance.
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The Methwolfe Salvation Front no longer recognizes the Alliance.
"Don't care."
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David Corn echoes a lot of what Iíve been arguing about Obamaís trajectory at this point in his second term. Politico-style pageview-grabbers keep talking about a ďlame duckĒ while the GOP keeps talking as if Obamacare, which only truly gets going next month, is already fatally wounded. McCainiacs talk as if getting Putin to take ownership of preventing further use of chemical weapons in Syria is some kind of defeat for the US Ė which it is only if you truly want another Middle East War. And in Washington, Obamaís solid refusal to jump into negotiations over the defunding of Obamacare or the debt-ceiling has allowed the Republicans to organize themselves into a Dick Cheney hunting expedition. After Syria, moreover, there is the first real chance of a deal with Iran over its nuclear program along the lines of Assadís sudden volte-face. The long term strategy of sanctions and an open hand is bearing fruit.

None of this will please Maureen Dowd. And yes, of course, much can still go awry. Politics requires nimbleness of action and steadiness in strategy. But when I watch Karl Rove laying into Congressional Republicans, and Bill Kristol, in panic-mode, calling for Israel to strike Iran, I canít help but smile. This terrible strategic president, this useless schmoozer, this aloof, Washington inadequate has a lot of foes back on their heels right now.

That doesnít happen entirely by accident.
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...-meep-watch-6/

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Good to see Sully's irrepressible Obama Loin Tingle is enough to supplant virtually any feeling of "betrayal" in a month or two.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...ayal-on-syria/

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I hate to say it but this president looks as if he is worse than weak here. He is being dragged around by events and pressures like a rag doll. And this news that we are entering the war with military supplies is provided by Ben Rhodes, not the president. Thatís nothing against Ben, but when a president is effectively declaring war, donít you think he has a duty to tell the American people why and what he intends to achieve?

But nada. You voted twice for Obama? Youíre getting the policies of McCain and the Clintons, the candidates he defeated. I wish I could understand this Ė but, of course, my worry is that the pincer movement of Rice and Power is already pushing us into a war we do not need, and cannot win.

This is worse than a mistake. Itís a betrayal Ė delivered casually. Maybe he thinks his supporters will treat this declaration of war just as casually. In which case, heís in for a big surprise.
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Seymour Hersh is a favorite when he attacks republicans, but here he is on Obama, which now makes him a traitor I'm sure.

"He is angry about the timidity of journalists in America, their failure to challenge the White House and be an unpopular messenger of truth."

"Don't even get him started on the New York Times which, he says, spends "so much more time carrying water for Obama than I ever thought they would" – or the death of Osama bin Laden. "Nothing's been done about that story, it's one big lie, not one word of it is true," he says of the dramatic US Navy Seals raid in 2011."

"Hersh is writing a book about national security and has devoted a chapter to the bin Laden killing. He says a recent report put out by an "independent" Pakistani commission about life in the Abottabad compound in which Bin Laden was holed up would not stand up to scrutiny. "The Pakistanis put out a report, don't get me going on it. Let's put it this way, it was done with considerable American input. It's a bull**** report," he says hinting of revelations to come in his book."

"The Obama administration lies systematically, he claims, yet none of the leviathans of American media, the TV networks or big print titles, challenge him."

http://www.theguardian.com/media/med...american-media
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