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Old 02-09-2014, 06:40 PM   #126
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The Broncos could always find a spot for Christian Jones if they want a playmaker. He is athletic enough to play all spots and has a great skillset. Frame to get bigger too. Dallas apparently loves him, but apparently he has major character flags that they may not want to risk on, so I doubt we would gamble.
That's your FSU bias!
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I like all three of the prospects you mentioned. Ford will be gone by 31 though. I have talked Van Noy and Pryor up. We may be lucky enough to land one of them. If Van Noy falls into the second we would be wise to move up for him.

But you just posted about this 3-4 switch in another thread. We play a 4-3, that at times functions as a 3-4. Injuries are a big reason we played as a more bland 4-3, and didn't operate with that scheme versatility we did in 12. Van Noy could always play SOLB and Von DE, which is what I suggested in my mock. That would give us even more versatility.

Plus Del Rio just signed a two year extension. The scheme and system are in place. It's time to continue to bring pieces in that will thrive in our scheme.
I would just like to see more creativity from the Bronco defense. Unless you have a few physically dominating players that can beat man blocking all day, I'd like to see some more different looks than it seems the Broncos typically give. The Broncos need more than Miller to rush the passer and scheming could also help with that. I remember how Joe Collier used to put Mecklenburg all over the place and you never knew if he was rushing or where.
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That's your FSU bias!
I just finished my top 75 for an MHR article and I do not have Jones in the top 50. If Denver doesn't go LB (probably not BPA @ 31) in the first eound they should consider Jones @ 63. Denver has to pray a ton of WR, OT, QB and the elite TE's go before they select. Mack, Mosley, Barr, Clowney, Nix, Jernigan and Dennard all will be off the board too. Gilmore and a top safety likely as well.

Our options for top defenders is grim.
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I would just like to see more creativity from the Bronco defense. Unless you have a few physically dominating players that can beat man blocking all day, I'd like to see some more different looks than it seems the Broncos typically give. The Broncos need more than Miller to rush the passer and scheming could also help with that. I remember how Joe Collier used to put Mecklenburg all over the place and you never knew if he was rushing or where.
That's what I like about Van Noy, he's a moveable piece that can be moved just like Von. But Van Noy is exceptional when dropping into coverage, but can also get after the QB.

If we are going to be predictable, then we need to have players who can get the job done one on one.
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I just finished my top 75 for an MHR article and I do not have Jones in the top 50. If Denver doesn't go LB (probably not BPA @ 31) in the first eound they should consider Jones @ 63. Denver has to pray a ton of WR, OT, QB and the elite TE's go before they select. Mack, Mosley, Barr, Clowney, Nix, Jernigan and Dennard all will be off the board too. Gilmore and a top safety likely as well.

Our options for top defenders is grim.
There will be a player who falls, could see Pryor or Van Noy sitting there.
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There will be a player who falls, could see Pryor or Van Noy sitting there.
Van Noy and Pryor would be top available if they were. Hageman is good value but I don't see us using another pick that early on a DT. No corner is worth it there and the next best players are arguably OG or versatile Ts.
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We will have my boy Quanterus Smith this year to rush from end in sub packages worst case scenario. Von obviously will rush from DE too. I'm not sure we will draft another early DE. If we re-sign one of our own or bring in a veteran, we will be fine.
LDE- Wolfe, Malik Jackson
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WLB- Trevethan, X
MLB- X, Steve Johnson?
SLB- Von, Irving, McCray

I see more questions at LB and DB then at DLine. Just another quality depth body at DT to upgrade Unrein and Fua. Need a subpackage coverage LB and or a starting MLB.
I have no doubt that Q will be a factor. But you can never have too many pass rushers. Adding a pass rusher early is a must short of us going CB,S,MLB in the first 3 rounds.
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Better pass rushers in FA available who are proven commodities. Spend your money there and at another defensive position and use two of your first three selections on defense.
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I have no doubt that Q will be a factor. But you can never have too many pass rushers. Adding a pass rusher early is a must short of us going CB,S,MLB in the first 3 rounds.
I think we are better served getting a veteran pass rusher and not developing 2 young DEs. As Req eluded to,ore impact and moneys worth from a Veteran pass rusher.
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Maybe Denver will get ballsy and move up in the draft.
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Maybe Denver will get ballsy and move up in the draft.
For whom?
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If anything I think they would do it for a corner. But they've been more than content with sitting back or even trading back so I don't see them making a move up.
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If anything I think they would do it for a corner. But they've been more than content with sitting back or even trading back so I don't see them making a move up.
Rookie DBs taking time to develop normally. It depends how free agency goes, that may not be a position to address early.
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Rookie DBs taking time to develop normally. It depends how free agency goes, that may not be a position to address early.
Yeah, I don't advocate going with a corner early by any means. Unless they don't resign DRC, then they're screwed. Seems to me rookie safeties and linebackers make the most impact early on, while corners and d-linemen take a little longer to adjust.

I think the corners that'll be around at the end of the first are lame, though. Dreadlocks boy from TCU doesn't impress me and neither does Roby from tOSU. They may end up just going BPA and taking an OL/DL.
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Resign DRC, sign a good middle backer in FA (dansby), and draft a safety/corner high (Pryor or Joyner). If they do that then the defense would look pretty good on paper, if harris and von can come back healthy.

I'm also not down for throwing money at a safety in FA. Byrd or Ward will cost way too much.
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There's a development CB I like in Hall from Vandy. He's very gritty, can play press and off, but is physical so he could play some zone.

Same with Fuller from VT.

I would love to see Mosely just sitting there @31. I really like what Van Noy brings to the table and would draft him if he's there. Can't have enough versatile guys, he is great in coverage, but can still attack downfield and get after the QB/RB for a loss. Otherwise I take Pryor, but I would not be surprised if he is the first Safety off the board.

In that case I like Craig Loston on day two.
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There are plenty of value Safeties who upgrade what we have..

FS- Bethea, Jenkins, Mitchell
SS- Pollard, Brown
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I think we are better served getting a veteran pass rusher and not developing 2 young DEs. As Req eluded to,ore impact and moneys worth from a Veteran pass rusher.
Pass rushers don't take long to be a threat. They normally struggle against the run because they focus on rushing up the field and not holding the edge.

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FS- Bethea, Jenkins, Mitchell
SS- Pollard, Brown
None of those FS are truly an upgrade. They are just a different player than who we normally see back there. That is no different from trading out Kelly Herndon for Lenny Walls.
Pollard and Brown at SS, yes, but they still have issues and it would be better to go through the draft unless you're going for Byrd or Ward. They are head and shoulders above the class.
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Hageman is good value but I don't see us using another pick that early on a DT.
You think he lasts that long?

I kinda figured he'd blow up the combine and be long gone by the time Denver drafts.
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Pass rushers don't take long to be a threat. They normally struggle against the run because they focus on rushing up the field and not holding the edge.



None of those FS are truly an upgrade. They are just a different player than who we normally see back there. That is no different from trading out Kelly Herndon for Lenny Walls.
Pollard and Brown at SS, yes, but they still have issues and it would be better to go through the draft unless you're going for Byrd or Ward. They are head and shoulders above the class.
Pass rushers don't take that long to be a threat? Most rookie pass rushers don't compile double digit sacks. While the number of sacks they have compared to a veteran in some cases may look close, the other elements in the game are a far greater margin. Ability against the run, chasing down plays, play recognition, batting balls down. That's why more often than not rookies play in sub packages, we will have that in Quantereus, why add another one? Especially with Von on the other side.

None of those Free Safeties are upgrades? You must be a fan of the Dream then, because all three are upgrades in some capacity.
Bethea in the most complete Safety and is much better than Bethea in all aspects.
Jenkins is a big time hitter, and is solid ball hawking being a former CB. He has great range and always seems to make a big play.
Mitchell is the least known of the three, and is about the same in coverage as Moore, but he is also a big time hitter, which Moore is not.
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Pass rushers don't take that long to be a threat? Most rookie pass rushers don't compile double digit sacks. While the number of sacks they have compared to a veteran in some cases may look close, the other elements in the game are a far greater margin. Ability against the run, chasing down plays, play recognition, batting balls down. That's why more often than not rookies play in sub packages, we will have that in Quantereus, why add another one? Especially with Von on the other side.

None of those Free Safeties are upgrades? You must be a fan of the Dream then, because all three are upgrades in some capacity.
Bethea in the most complete Safety and is much better than Bethea in all aspects.
Jenkins is a big time hitter, and is solid ball hawking being a former CB. He has great range and always seems to make a big play.
Mitchell is the least known of the three, and is about the same in coverage as Moore, but he is also a big time hitter, which Moore is not.
Bethea is a SS, he does not intercept the ball, he tackles well and helps stuff the run. How is a SS a upgrade to Moore when they don't play the same position?

Jenkins is on one of the poorer secondaries in the NFL and they still think he underperformed. The knock on him is that he doesn't make plays and that's why the saints want to replace him with a better player to pair with Vaccaro.

Mitchell hits hard? Hoorah, we need that in a SS, not a FS.
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Bethea played FS until the purge in Indy and regime change. He also has 14 career Ints.

All three are scheme versatile and can play either safety position. They all are more physical than Dream and play with an edge. Jenkins hasn't lived up to his potential and Mitchell has shown promise when given his opportunity. A culture change for one and opportunity for another could be what they need.
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You think he lasts that long?

I kinda figured he'd blow up the combine and be long gone by the time Denver drafts.
Really depends, I'd guess that Tuitt and a few others might go before him if they are getting 3-4 DE looks. He is a good player, but really raw. Him going that high would be on potential alone. Off play and consistency, he is a guy who is a late-first rounder at best. I can think of 3-5 teams ahead of us in the late teens to early 20s who could probably jump on him before us.
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Dennard would be awesome
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Him going that high would be on potential alone. Off play and consistency, he is a guy who is a late-first rounder at best.
Yeah. The plays that he makes, though, he makes look really, really easy at times. I could see the combine taking him places.
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