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Old 03-18-2014, 11:27 PM   #226
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You're right about woo hoo Clinton's dix and pryor they'll probably both be gone before we have a shot. So I'm going outside the box here, If we can't trade back for more pics why not take Shazer at 31. He's fast enough and looks fluid enough in transition to play FS. Though I haven't seen enough of him to actually make a determination about his coverage abilities.
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I know I'm sort of a broken record on the safety problem, it's something I believe, great NFL defenses are built just like they are in baseball, straight down the middle. DT's, MLB, and safeties.



Always seem to be the problem w LSU players doesn't it.
Shazier cannot play S in any form unless you have him lose 20-30 lbs and retrain him on his instincts. He will be a stud WLB but S is a no.
If we want to bring a S through the draft then Clinton-Dix & Pryor are the only two really good FS types.
SS is the strength of this draft in terms of depth.
Ward,Buchanon,Dixon,Loston among others are good depth at SS.

Ward to me is the guy you take at S if the target is FS and you cannot get one of Clinton-Dix or Pryor. He is flexible enough to play SS,FS,nickel back and etc.

Terrence Brooks is a guy you can take a flier on in the 3rd or 4th.
But he only has two seasons of experience at FS, he was originally a CB.
Lamarcus Joyner is another tweener type that you can take in the 2nd or later. He's small and played more of a nickel and pure corner role this year after playing as a SS last year.


You trying to say something about LSU and Les Miles?
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Old 03-19-2014, 01:18 AM   #227
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Broncos were 1 of 12 NFL teams to attend Tripp's Pro Day on Tuesday.
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:04 PM   #228
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I have a really good friend who was an incoming freshman with Tripp at Montana. Told me the first month of football that Tripp was going to be playing in the NFL. Watched the kid for years now and he's the real deal, I would be ecstatic if we drafted him.
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Depending on how we plan to use the MLB position Tripp or Shazier could fit.
But if they are taken then Trev likely remains the play caller on D and we may have some run defense issues as they are most adept at coverage and I do not think they have MLB instincts.

Mosley would be the ideal fit. Hopefully we get him.
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I still like how you believe calling plays will be a issue for Tripp even though he did it at the senior bowl weekend.
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I still like how you believe calling plays will be a issue for Tripp even though he did it at the senior bowl weekend.
He did it to show versatility and because teams wanted to see him do it.
Just because you can does not mean you are good at it.
DJ Williams could call plays but he sucked at it.
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He did it to show versatility and because teams wanted to see him do it.
Just because you can does not mean you are good at it.
DJ Williams could call plays but he sucked at it.
Tripp is a third generation player and isn't dumb like DJ.
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Tripp is a third generation player and isn't dumb like DJ.
Him being from a family of football players means nothing.
I do not doubt his talent. It is his ability to transition to a pure MLB role.
If the role is to be a tweener and just go around and make plays then he will be fine as a MLB. If the role is to call plays, line up the defense, be stout in the run game and be the leader of the D like a traditional MLB then I doubt that will happen.

Again, I do not doubt his talent nor that of Shazier's.
I am not a fan of just making a player fit into a role he isn't accustomed to.
Play making safeties tend to be able to make the transition assuming they are used to making certain play calls on D already.
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Him being from a family of football players means nothing.
I do not doubt his talent. It is his ability to transition to a pure MLB role.
If the role is to be a tweener and just go around and make plays then he will be fine as a MLB. If the role is to call plays, line up the defense, be stout in the run game and be the leader of the D like a traditional MLB then I doubt that will happen.

Again, I do not doubt his talent nor that of Shazier's.
I am not a fan of just making a player fit into a role he isn't accustomed to.
Play making safeties tend to be able to make the transition assuming they are used to making certain play calls on D already.
The MLB doesn't have be making the calls, Trevathan can do that for the team.
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The MLB doesn't have be making the calls, Trevathan can do that for the team.
The MLB should be making the calls though.
As I said, if the position will be used for flying around and making plays without having to make calls then Tripp or Shazier will work fine.
That is not what I would like to see out of the MLB though.
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what about Avery Williamson?
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what about Avery Williamson?
He is interesting as hell. He ran a 4.56 40 at his pro day.
The issue though is that he is not really good in coverage and has issues with diagnosing plays.

Most draft pundits think he will not stick as a MLB in a 4-3 but would make a excellent 3-4 ILB.
But we do seem to love our Kentucky LB's and his stock is in the 5th to 6th round area.
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I would like to stake my claim that the Broncos will select a flaming sack of dog crap if they stay at #31.

1. Could this be the year that a record number of Guards are picked in the 1st round (Martin, Kuandjio, Su'a-Filo, Yankey)? I think so. Not that any of them deserve it.

2. I guess I should be happy if the Broncos don't come away with another backup Defensive Lineman (Ford, Jernigan, Ealy, Hageman)? We know they are quite adept at picking those.

3. Other than picking an average NFL Guard, it looks like the best we can do is to yank Omar Bolden and shove Tony Carter further down the food chain by hoping that we get lucky enough to draft a Nickel CB (Verrett, Fuller, Roby)?

4. Maybe we can trade down (yay), and give a bottom-dweller the rights to pick someone like Derek Carr at #31. At least, we'd get more value by picking an average Guard near the top of the 2nd round (instead of the bottom of the 1st).
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I would like to stake my claim that the Broncos will select a flaming sack of dog crap if they stay at #31.
noted. for whatever it's worth (and it's probably not much), I think are going to be a lot of really good players sitting there at 31. Including a handful that can make an immediate impact. The late 1st/early 2nd looks like a nice place to be picking this year.
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Now that he is gone; Jordan Mathews tops my offensive player wish list.
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noted. for whatever it's worth (and it's probably not much), I think are going to be a lot of really good players sitting there at 31. Including a handful that can make an immediate impact. The late 1st/early 2nd looks like a nice place to be picking this year.
List your handful, and why they present good value at #31.
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Now that he is gone; Jordan Mathews tops my offensive player wish list.
Ditto. I just really think we need to get a big, blocking possession #2 this year, so when we lose Welker and move Sanders to the slot NEXT year, we have a guy seasoned and ready to go. I hope we take Matthews, he's going to be a stud for a long time.
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List your handful, and why they present good value at #31.
Tuitt, Ealy, Nix, Hageman, Jernigan, Mosley, Fuller, Su'a-Filo, Yankey, Matthews, Martin, possibly Roby, Verett, or one of the other 2 highly-rated CBs who will not likely fall and I'm not going to name any players that have gone undrafted in the OM draft right now.

Not all those players will be there, but I am sure some of them will and I'd be fine with any of them to a degree.

I don't think I'm as high on Shazier in Denver's system with the rooster constructed as it is as some others.

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List your handful, and why they present good value at #31.



This right here price is the same mistake teams make year after year and people do in fantasy football year after year.

Screw value! Screw it!



You go ahead and draft the ultimate value team. I am going to draft the ultimate stud team. I don't care if I reach on some or all my picks. Winning is about talent not about the value you have on your team. This is the NFL not the NFVL. Value means nothing when on the field.

So I will take starters and people who are going to be very very good for years to come. I don't care if it is a full round too early. They will immediately fill the hole my team has and I can plug and play.


People get hung up on value. Value is overrated.
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Ditto. I just really think we need to get a big, blocking possession #2 this year, so when we lose Welker and move Sanders to the slot NEXT year, we have a guy seasoned and ready to go. I hope we take Matthews, he's going to be a stud for a long time.
I have been trying not to say anything thing about him in hopes he will fall to the Lions. He reminds me of a Alshon Jeffery. Just a quite stud that comes out of no where and people will ask how they missed him.
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I doubt the Broncos ever trade out of the first again. The extra year of team control is too great to pass up.
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I have been trying not to say anything thing about him in hopes he will fall to the Lions. He reminds me of a Alshon Jeffery. Just a quite stud that comes out of no where and people will ask how they missed him.
I wouldn't describe Jeffery nor Matthews as coming out of nowhere.
Each had very good college careers as well as some hype coming into the draft.
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I wouldn't describe Jeffery nor Matthews as coming out of nowhere.
Each had very good collegrsas well as some hype coming into the draft.
Not shocked you wouldn't. I mean only 6 NFL Wrs got picked before Alshon and he is crushing them. The same will probably happen with Mathews. I fully aware that he is gaining hype towards the draft man. You act like I don't pay any attention to this **** at all.
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I'd gladly take a perennial pro bowler in sia fulo. He'd be a faneco for us. Rd two I'd gladly take boreland, fuller, baptiste, or a wr. 3rd round there should still be excellent wr available if I landed sia and boreland. Cb would be good to look at here.
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I'd gladly take a perennial pro bowler in sia fulo. He'd be a faneco for us. Rd two I'd gladly take boreland, fuller, baptiste, or a wr. 3rd round there should still be excellent wr available if I landed sia and boreland. Cb would be good to look at here.
I have Su'a-Filo rated pretty high (21), doubt he makes it to the Broncos pick.

Would consider Baptiste at #63, though I seriously doubt his ability to immediately become a solid starter.
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