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Old 08-13-2013, 02:22 PM   #1
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Default Kirwan & Ryan Broncos camp visit recap

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Old 08-13-2013, 02:26 PM   #2
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Loved a lot of the points they recapped, but perhaps this one best of all:

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Both Tim and Pat said that they think the Broncos are probably the best all-around team in the NFL, and should be the favorites to win the Super Bowl.
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:33 PM   #3
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This one is also a head turner:

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Tim and Pat said that Shaun Phillips looks terrific, and they both thought that Phillips could be an overall upgrade compared to Elvis Dumervil, due to his abilities against the run. Fox credited Phillips for doing a nice job of learning both the Sam LB position and the Open-side DE position.
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This show is fantastic also btw, maybe my fave on the NFL channel.
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I'm very high on this defense. We should be explosive. I expect the gates of TO heaven to open up this year and spill all kinds of gifts on the Broncos. Still worried about the Oline, but Elway couldn't have found a better guy than Gibbs to be in there coaching it up.

The big factor, IMHO, is having The Duke on the sidelines. Not to go too far out with the metaphor (after all, it's just a game), but when times were tough for the Revolutionary Army, Washington's generals would ask him to simply sit on his horse where the whole Army could see him. It put everybody in the right mindset.
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This one is also a head turner:
Why? I agree 100% with what this guys said.

Elvis had 11 sacks but half came on the last play of the game or against CLEV and did not grade out all that well in terms of distruptive plays
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Why? I agree 100% with what this guys said.

Elvis had 11 sacks but half came on the last play of the game or against CLEV and did not grade out all that well in terms of distruptive plays
Exactly. Dumervil was way overrated. Phillips and Malik Jackson will more than account for his production this year, at a tenth of the price.
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Why? I agree 100% with what this guys said.
I'm not saying I disagree. But I am saying that a lot of people will probably be surprised to hear people suggesting this.
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Exactly. Dumervil was way overrated. Phillips and Malik Jackson will more than account for his production this year, at a tenth of the price.
He was a solid PR with meh run stop. What he was though was a team captain and a huge leader. That's what we lost. Luckily we have people who have taken the torch.
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Exactly. Dumervil was way overrated.
Overrated? Perhaps. But I disagree with the way part. Newsome and the Ravens know talent as good as anyone in the league and they don't go after "way overrated" players.

But let's not let this discussion get bogged down on one of the 20 observations in the article. Lots of good stuff to discuss.
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I'm surprised with Kirwan's and Ryan's analysis of Phillips. I usually agree with them 99% of the time but Phillips was the second worst rated OLB last year by Pro Football Focus.

I can see him playing better this year though. He doesn't really have anywhere to go but up.
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Why they said about Sylvester contradicts everything I've heard about him all offseason. I wonder if he is hesitating at the snap because he keeps getting called offsides. I imagine this is more Williams thinking too much, and needing to develope better timing at the pro level.
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:35 PM   #14
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Why they said about Sylvester contradicts everything I've heard about him all offseason. I wonder if he is hesitating at the snap because he keeps getting called offsides. I imagine this is more Williams thinking too much, and needing to develope better timing at the pro level.

I think he's thinking too fast. Happens to rookies. I believe he will get it sorted out.


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I think he's thinking too fast. Happens to rookies. I believe he will get it sorted out.


With our current coaching staff, I'm 100% confident he'll be a beast by game 5.
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Why? I agree 100% with what this guys said.

Elvis had 11 sacks but half came on the last play of the game or against CLEV and did not grade out all that well in terms of distruptive plays
While you are right that Dumervil's sacks were mostly low-impact plays, the guy generated pressure regularly and helped our overall defense greatly. To judge a pass rusher purely off sack numbers is rather foolish.

That said, I do believe we will replace Dumervil's contributions with the new players we've added along with the development of younger players such as Derek Wolfe.
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I'm surprised with Kirwan's and Ryan's analysis of Phillips. I usually agree with them 99% of the time but Phillips was the second worst rated OLB last year by Pro Football Focus.

I can see him playing better this year though. He doesn't really have anywhere to go but up.
This isn't last year, and he isn't playing for the Chargers anymore, so what exactly gives you any grounds for disagreeing with their assessment?
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While you are right that Dumervil's sacks were mostly low-impact plays, the guy generated pressure regularly and helped our overall defense greatly. To judge a pass rusher purely off sack numbers is rather foolish.

That said, I do believe we will replace Dumervil's contributions with the new players we've added along with the development of younger players such as Derek Wolfe.
I guess Elvis' sack FF against the chargers that totally turned the momentum toward the Broncos was a low impact play.

3.5 sacks against playoff teams, 4 in division, and 6 FFs last season. On over half of his sacks he forced a fumble....


Low impact, carry on.
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While you are right that Dumervil's sacks were mostly low-impact plays, the guy generated pressure regularly and helped our overall defense greatly. To judge a pass rusher purely off sack numbers is rather foolish.

That said, I do believe we will replace Dumervil's contributions with the new players we've added along with the development of younger players such as Derek Wolfe.
Sure he will be missed somewhat but we have already done so much more to help the team with his money that we are better without him than we were going to be with him and his cap hit.
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Exactly. Dumervil was way overrated. Phillips and Malik Jackson will more than account for his production this year, at a tenth of the price.
Well, I disagree with that. Elvis was among the leaders in QB pressures. That is a very important stat. He also forced 6 fumbles. One of which turned the SD game around.

Denver can overcome the loss of Doom and Phillips a good player but to say Doom was Waaay overrated is simply wrong. He is going to have more than 12 sacks this year in Baltimore.
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I guess Elvis' sack FF against the chargers that totally turned the momentum toward the Broncos was a low impact play.

3.5 sacks against playoff teams, 4 in division, and 6 FFs last season. On over half of his sacks he forced a fumble....


Low impact, carry on.
That was one play.
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I guess Elvis' sack FF against the chargers that totally turned the momentum toward the Broncos was a low impact play.

3.5 sacks against playoff teams, 4 in division, and 6 FFs last season. On over half of his sacks he forced a fumble....


Low impact, carry on.
You should check game stats and see what time his sacks occurred. He also didn't get consistent pressure, he was more than suspect in the run game as well.

I do like Malik Jackson, if anybody hasn't rewatched the game vs the 49'ers you need to. Malik has displays good use of his hands and he was consistently being disruptive. Not sure why he's not talked about more.
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That was one play.
That turned around the biggest game of the year. SD was in Denver's territory. If Doom does not make that play the Chargers' score and all of a sudden it is 31-7 or 27-7 SD, and the whole game could have changed. Instead Doom gets the sack forces the fumble and the game is 24-14.
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That was one play.
Maybe but the other 5 FFs, and 7.5 sacks I mentioned were not 'just one play', unless of course Elvis is a time traveling alien from krypton, in which case the Broncos made a huge mistake. Hmmmmmmm.

Elvis was not only a solid, and consistent contributor on the Broncos defense, he was also a mentor to Von Miller, and that is irreplaceable. I have faith in Von's maturity to step up as a leader from this point forward, but it will be a transition considering Elvis' experience.
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