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Old 08-04-2013, 09:13 AM   #1
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Note the marriage statistics. It blows out of the water the bogus lefty theory of "the legacy of slavery" driving up black out of wedlock births. Beginning in earnest in the 60s, political radicals took aim at the family unit and began promoting single parenthood as legitimate and consequently out of wedlock birth rates for all races in the US began to climb.


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by Walter E. Williams

If we put ourselves into the shoes of racists who seek to sabotage black upward mobility, we couldn't develop a more effective agenda than that followed by civil rights organizations, black politicians, academics, liberals and the news media. Let's look at it....
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:20 AM   #2
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What's the conservative response, then? And how do you plan on enacting it as policy?
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:33 AM   #3
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Yes, nanny state to the rescue. A moral values problem, this being one of many the left have managed to undermine, is one that requires people themselves take the concern enough to promote and enact better moral behavior in their own lives and encourage it in their communities. The atmosphere of social acceptability for casual pregnancies needs to be reversed as well as the "mind your business" mindset the left have pushed for decades. The old taboo against out of wedlock pregnancy needs to come back, like it or not. Will it? Not likely. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it's very difficult to get back in. Those with loose values and behavior standards aren't often known to reconsider and live in a more healthy manner. They tend to resist correction, sometimes violently, especially living in a pop culture that values casual relations and general narcissism. Better parental guidance is certainly a good start, and God forbid, that just might mean more women staying at home.

Oh, and enforcing existing obscenity laws would certainly help.

I don't look for a "conservative response." Do I speak for others? No. I speak for me.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:51 AM   #4
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Yes, nanny state to the rescue. A moral values problem, this being one of many the left have managed to undermine, is one that requires people themselves take the concern enough to promote and enact better moral behavior in their own lives and encourage it in their communities. The atmosphere of social acceptability for casual pregnancies needs to be reversed as well as the "mind your business" mindset the left have pushed for decades. The old taboo against out of wedlock pregnancy needs to come back, like it or not. Will it? Not likely. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it's very difficult to get back in. Those with loose values and behavior standards aren't often known to reconsider and live in a more healthy manner. They tend to resist correction, sometimes violently, especially living in a pop culture that values casual relations and general narcissism. Better parental guidance is certainly a good start, and God forbid, that just might mean more women staying at home.

Oh, and enforcing existing obscenity laws would certainly help.

I don't look for a "conservative response." Do I speak for others? No. I speak for me.
So, in your view, go back to making women little more than property and adjuncts to men, criminalize divorce, and make bastardy immoral. Right?

And censor porn. Because one thing we can't have is people having sex. Right?

If you don't tell me what will fix the problem as you perceive it, I'll just make it up. So, go ahead:
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Walter E. Williams,another conservative who thinks he knows It all and knows nothing.

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Walter E. Williams,another conservative who thinks he knows It all and knows nothing.
What does that have to do with Jim Crow-era marriage rates being higher than modern ones which liberals, especially, insist on attributing to "the legacy of slavery" and thus blaming society as a whole for the disintegration of the nuclear family which psychological studies shows harms children of all races?
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So, in your view, go back to making women little more than property and adjuncts to men, criminalize divorce, and make bastardy immoral. Right?

And censor porn. Because one thing we can't have is people having sex. Right?

If you don't tell me what will fix the problem as you perceive it, I'll just make it up. So, go ahead:
What I find amusing is how the same crowd of ass hats call workplace hierarchy and role fulfillment by employees as a normal way of running things but suddenly when it comes to the family having a similar structure, it's suddenly and quite magically "oppression."

Cut the ****.

Gender roles are not oppression and I don't think anyone with half a brain would say a kid raised in the daytime by daycare would be as well-adjusted and prepared for adulthood as someone with a parent at home. Too retarded.

Unsurprisingly, you are unable to discuss such things without dipping your hand into the usual lefty grab-bag of traditional gender role narratives and horror stories.

Especially as a man, and worse yet a liberal and thus emasculated one, you seriously need to shut your trap and stop telling us women what to think.

Or are you a closet misogynist

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BS. You have issues with marriage rates? Who the **** cares. That is the problem with conservatives, what difference does it make to you the marriage rates among ALL colors white,brown or black. Jim Crow?!

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db123.htm

Teen birth rates are all trending downwards for WHITES, BLACKS and LATINOS.
Besides there's no law that requires marriage in order have a child. Nor is it required to have both a mother & father for there to be a family. A single parent household is just as strong as a traditional one.
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Walter E. Williams,another conservative who thinks he knows It all and knows nothing.
I'll take the typical liberal way of handling such a remark: You're a racist for disagreeing with Williams since is a black man. You can go into every liberal type of forum where that is standard practice. But as also typical, the lily white liberal "gee, I once had a black friend, so that makes me an expert on the black community" think they know more about the subject than a black man.
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^ None of these liberal protestations have to do with the topic of this thread. This all seems to be deflective BS.

Perhaps you'll now be ready to at least consider that the disintegration of the nuclear family unit is not a result of slavery.
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What I find amusing is how the same crowd of ass hats call workplace hierarchy and role fulfillment by employees as a normal way of running things but suddenly when it comes to the family having a similar structure, it's suddenly and quite magically "oppression."

Cut the ****.

Gender roles are not oppression and I don't think anyone with half a brain would say a kid raised in the daytime by daycare would be as well-adjusted and prepared for adulthood as someone with a parent at home. Too retarded.

Unsurprisingly, you are unable to discuss such things without dipping your hand into the usual lefty grab-bag of traditional gender role narratives and horror stories.

Especially as a man, and worse yet a liberal and thus emasculated one, you seriously need to shut your trap and stop telling us women what to think.

Or are you a closet misogynist

You have nothing but your own ignorant beliefs to back up what you're saying. Anyone with half a brain is going to recognize your post is complete BS.
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BS. You have issues with marriage rates? Who the **** cares. That is the problem with conservatives, what difference does it make to you the marriage rates among ALL colors white,brown or black. Jim Crow?!

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db123.htm

Teen birth rates are all trending downwards for WHITES, BLACKS and LATINOS.
Besides there's no law that requires marriage in order have a child. Nor is it required to have both a mother & father for there to be a family. A single parent household is just as strong as a traditional one.
Typical liberal tripe, the same kind of tripe that has been pumped into society's ears by the left since the 60s, if not sooner. As the article mentions - if you cared to read it which you don't - data and I'll add from my own experience psychological studies have shown that intact homes are healthier ones and more prosperous ones.

If you think a single parent producing kids with higher rates of poverty and delinquency is cool, then don't b**** about black poverty and juvenile mayhem.

Ever.
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You have nothing but your own ignorant beliefs to back up what you're saying. Anyone with half a brain is going to recognize your post is complete BS.
That's not a response. You did know that, right? Essentially calling names and giggling: the typical liberal retort here and all over teh internetz.

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I'll take the typical liberal way of handling such a remark: You're a racist for disagreeing with Williams since is a black man. You can go into every liberal type of forum where that is standard practice. But as also typical, the lily white liberal "gee, I once had a black friend, so that makes me an expert on the black community" think they know more about the subject than a black man.
That's a conservative response actually, "I have a black friend" defense to their own racist beliefs. Nice try though,projecting your own ignorance onto others doesn't fly.
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Typical liberal tripe, the same kind of tripe that has been pumped into society's ears by the left since the 60s, if not sooner. As the article mentions - if you cared to read it which you don't - data and I'll add from my own experience psychological studies have shown that intact homes are healthier ones and more prosperous ones.

If you think a single parent producing kids with higher rates of poverty and delinquency is cool, then don't b**** about black poverty and juvenile mayhem.

Ever.
Responding with conservative tripe isn't going to prove anything. Show us the actual data that proves your point. Walter e Williams couldn't,can you.

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Until the majority of the black community stops blindly being the slave to the democrat party, things will not change for them. The democrats have done diddly for them, unless keeping them in the ghettos and in poverty counts as something. High abortion rates, high crime rate, high poverty rate, high unemployment rate(oh, the white liberals really think more people have gotten great, full-time jobs all of a sudden) are not things I would be proud of. But let's face it, also for the race issue, that has to be kept alive too considering the democrats would have nothing to really run on other than more give away programs that end up helping nobody in the end. More black people are unemployed right now than ever before, and there is a black president who had a democrat controlled Congress his first 2 years and still has the Senate and nothing. You don't need more proof the democrats are full of crap.

They like to believe it's the black people who have escaped the democrats and saw the light as traitors to their race and other worse remarks, but it's those that blindly take the word of democrats with no substance as we can see(Detroit, Baltimore, among others) as those that have done the harm to themselves and their race. Truth hurts sometimes.
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That's a conservative response actually, "I have a black friend" defense to their own racist beliefs. Nice try though,projecting your own ignorance onto others doesn't fly.
, sorry, but it's you and your liberal klan that do that, not to mention use simply disagreeing with a black person as being racist. But I know, as typical of liberals, "it's different when I do it."
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Mentioning data does not equal evidence.
Yet you and yours do it all the time. Raising the bar here?

Yes. You are.
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So, to sum up the OP argument: Liberal...blah, blah, blah... liberal... blah, blah, blah... liberal... blah, blah, blah... liberal, blah, blah, blah...


Is that it?
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, sorry, but it's you and your liberal klan that do that, not to mention use simply disagreeing with a black person as being racist. But I know, as typical of liberals, "it's different when I do it."
I've never implied disagreeing with someone who is black makes you a racist. BTW,point to actual examples of anyone saying that. Otherwise you're FoS as usual.
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What I find amusing is how the same crowd of ass hats call workplace hierarchy and role fulfillment by employees as a normal way of running things but suddenly when it comes to the family having a similar structure, it's suddenly and quite magically "oppression."

Cut the ****.

Gender roles are not oppression and I don't think anyone with half a brain would say a kid raised in the daytime by daycare would be as well-adjusted and prepared for adulthood as someone with a parent at home. Too retarded.

Unsurprisingly, you are unable to discuss such things without dipping your hand into the usual lefty grab-bag of traditional gender role narratives and horror stories.

Especially as a man, and worse yet a liberal and thus emasculated one, you seriously need to shut your trap and stop telling us women what to think.

Or are you a closet misogynist

You just need a man to smack you around a bit and treat you like ****.

Then you'll be happy in your conservative gender role and quit being such a beeyotch.

We all know that right-wingers such as yourself think this is perfect:

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Until the majority of the black community stops blindly being the slave to the democrat party, things will not change for them. The democrats have done diddly for them, unless keeping them in the ghettos and in poverty counts as something. High abortion rates, high crime rate, high poverty rate, high unemployment rate(oh, the white liberals really think more people have gotten great, full-time jobs all of a sudden) are not things I would be proud of. But let's face it, also for the race issue, that has to be kept alive too considering the democrats would have nothing to really run on other than more give away programs that end up helping nobody in the end. More black people are unemployed right now than ever before, and there is a black president who had a democrat controlled Congress his first 2 years and still has the Senate and nothing. You don't need more proof the democrats are full of crap.

They like to believe it's the black people who have escaped the democrats and saw the light as traitors to their race and other worse remarks, but it's those that blindly take the word of democrats with no substance as we can see(Detroit, Baltimore, among others) as those that have done the harm to themselves and their race. Truth hurts sometimes.
Those damned Negras, eh?
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So, to sum up the OP argument: Liberal...blah, blah, blah... liberal... blah, blah, blah... liberal... blah, blah, blah... liberal, blah, blah, blah...


Is that it?
I'm sorry, sir. Was it conservatives that worked overtime the past several decades to legitimize such damaging social relations?

I think not.
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You just need a man to smack you around a bit and treat you like ****.

Then you'll be happy in your conservative gender role and quit being such a beeyotch.

We all know that right-wingers such as yourself think this is perfect:

As usual you can't address the topic without dropping your panties and taking a steaming dump while you parrot the usual false dichotomy talking points I grew up hearing from a certain political group of people.

What's wrong with those women? Feminity frighten you?

As I said, which you expectly did not respond to, was that you liberals are all about hierarchies and roles in society and the workplace.... As long as the same are not practiced in the home.

You cannot explain the difference nor justify why this is so, you'll just keep asserting it while you throw mud at people.

Same old stupid **** out of you.
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Responding with conservative tripe isn't going to prove anything. Show us the actual data that proves your point. Walter e Williams couldn't,can you.
Opinion columnists do not normally post a bibliography of their sources, and I know damned well that you do not expect as such from liberal columnists you enjoy reading.

If you wish to get off your duff and read further on the topic - which I know you have no interest nor intent of doing - feel free to get a copy of The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925. I own a copy and I know you don't.

Read and stop blindly parroting platitudes. If you think the black family was destroyed in slavery and they've always had high out of wedlock birthrates as a result, kindly state YOUR source.

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